Re: [rfc-i] Where was the discussion?

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Wed, 22 January 2020 05:44 UTC

Return-Path: <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
X-Original-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org
Delivered-To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3C0F406F3 for <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 21:44:48 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.899
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: rfcpa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net
Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DYhmB-bOgyeG for <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 21:44:47 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3E89F406F2 for <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 21:44:46 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1579671889; bh=cqzgoTYNgVGYB3EXlt74ssrlo6fk2efflhEvWw26wHk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KBgO7yQgUL10kI/2zRdkvvl0pCYt6VBICiqsHeTjTaSsi9aAFDTFx654A3MujMOPP molzMvujq0RLBWp6EIiS3R5a1bNA7Rc4GchsdOmzmEQuPGscrQ02q5RE9oWZMyD2aM b90ocpyed00iPeRjO2B8l4cIM7rI3diuK3EALfNk=
X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c
Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([91.61.62.73]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MuUnA-1jkBTX0aoM-00ragj; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:44:49 +0100
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Cc: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org
References: <CAMm+LwiXhhJO7qYi41+DC4W7uMUVipXqyq75Fq2vagA1ppJNdA@mail.gmail.com> <10cca93f-a8b8-4c42-0653-3b12fa67ad12@gmail.com> <CAMm+LwgA-1UffBfrH-Y3J6pfh7ni9kNrndp=gHNyUyi5j=oLxg@mail.gmail.com> <53607da4-6608-783b-b875-65551e3add19@gmail.com> <CAMm+LwgNU2Dr3bB+A8k+UwbQiRRzgUkoRRh60tc6+bBv6CXwfQ@mail.gmail.com> <70ed6362-41ee-faf5-8f90-d094455dbdf4@gmail.com> <CAMm+Lwhy-AV_K5evzGdpDi-ynpLE4RxXCVB1HercickYfZaubg@mail.gmail.com> <e8bc039a-b85f-61e8-966d-912ec1cfd861@gmail.com> <1d18f689-781a-2306-3c98-ae8536a01bdd@gmx.de> <CAMm+LwjzqHTpBOTSfKMDYXrJZ1oHfWJuZBt0dG6uVSHHoRsn3w@mail.gmail.com> <38557d27-5e29-6162-ac50-019ac4f581c3@gmail.com> <34373E24-2573-4188-80E4-A2CC3630C5F1@mnot.net>
From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <5512c6ef-1f31-034a-3600-f4e34e2046bf@gmx.de>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 06:44:46 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <34373E24-2573-4188-80E4-A2CC3630C5F1@mnot.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JLz26+U9AcjypHEzisw1o4Jv3khAoeBcMb1f9/bP8jOVgy6pwvl 0RE+64aGHb7HzNyhtSgrfMvYV6N4mE1IMzn16Irl/aAQhHhGzQvtSbSkN+1oQC4yYH9VoCc HfbkgBLBCPcw6jk46E9PBFg/EGJwypPWc5k5Pq4US6+o58a2dJicQOz4RaGCfueq7ba66R4 N1btM0GVNi9wdZ0tcb+xA==
X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:XlHTNm2hx/c=:yhLzVN1wZKA1daDhbn6r6w yOjQqlkwXdbO8S436nMHRrIGg46/FDGG7nbBgJ81SCauwmLAt54Mp2tQiuyYvum3zRPlhQ3TH k2j0k7yTwlmbEWZfw6PPzZqzUx9xaTVulFQZin194kuRFXGP+f9if+iG9m6IqMopZeicEQaUS lgRYCaK2qKicaIYWg48UvRQuo23F7vd49Ccv+9HdMijIQWPHAE+d1lltIo1zAqRuJ8yP801av PjSHe46TeDuvD+PJUvYTsdJSlV13TKO6Wvzi7lu0NoIPa1f5GeCUkVeH0NumhvdolRMUWLA1y 7hT2gAG0g0F561f9WcGDkPlzO6e6gqMSOEhJ7pnL8mVSZ72ApEFKOgSL9F++0noT4ELpBMJMX h3wi9k3c0VNK1kyA1mfMCS4ZToV1BPkYczQTZnRZLXI6f6kGFCpnoYzQswUYkjL9cbuuopZb1 IPGoaWqpdTbXfdhwIWqz/iGww6C6hh14pelf1DHoNqpCM6N1H1uQr+iks5jMsOxsjoe+M7OJL vNGhixLF8ibHDHZkTiY+JvH2ORnqFaM9HRk3SN0ZOmm5fSY9k2tLCimpL4iUi287qjJVooqoA 67OKXKd/gi/zKDwoCqBXxIM0+kCyuCNTQKSuDYZWtaGrXAdYLKe4nwde7ok0ytz/C6G1oYrUT s2SNJ0SiIzbU6ZdkykjgLjESeKwe0NhPzh4LqBtioUfX+5La+HhdqtxASU4aja2MXCkDtD2Jp +te+8v5nNGOUSHNTz3behaelPQdEuzgRkTjWyWqKvdcYWRTpNuCDdXD19hlRFeV7Vrc4JqQzZ uipxelQf+qUbWQnpmFnvcyQAAm8lAI8M40ZAnMTZ4edJ8rscdsz+DeVRv93qXItHuZPFYgNVZ O+7DX1vgJzNlAFpnjhQfpcsaV0yNdG4vT7lCMRjL28AYKKvWnbFlugU1scW0XMzwInoeHt8+M ezPPkYX0g8aZwhW0FmdrKViNYJVOvP4NTsyqxNmBeTagqoH89hge8dyf6ReN+G/sSJ66Wucgt 0t0xNMgXhUBDW/Nl1i9EOShQgeXNEo6Pl8OxqISF53xaN5o2Aw/ICl1AbW7CocJbpo6g8VqsX BR1yAxFY0EGYUX9Emeuud7vcFD9nyCcwajyxVnQPhoABKMiD1MB0p1tJNHKkLOOkRmmnQ7xLg Ezw2a6y+/gykn7ct8hiuEAFAyLiDbQPqdpaF5teLMh3PJ9wj7Xdlb6tyRPOAjgCkOE8IcLPXg naBcIxv/ORcOQkXIveAVDCP+0RQGSuuW/KSMVSw8Hw3SzwvfZKtP5H0DPhIc=
Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Where was the discussion?
X-BeenThere: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "A list for discussion of the RFC series and RFC Editor functions." <rfc-interest.rfc-editor.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/options/rfc-interest>, <mailto:rfc-interest-request@rfc-editor.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/>
List-Post: <mailto:rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rfc-interest-request@rfc-editor.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest>, <mailto:rfc-interest-request@rfc-editor.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 05:44:48 -0000

On 22.01.2020 03:14, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> On 22 Jan 2020, at 12:53 pm, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   possible proposals to extend it?
>
> It's probably good to be clear about what we mean about "extend" in the context of an XML format defined by Relax NG.
>
> Any new attribute or element is going to fail validation using the schema in RFC7991 - there's not really anything to be done about that. So, a new schema will need to be written and published; effectively there is no backwards-compatible extension of that format, we need to "fork" it, not extend it.

We need to *revise* it.

I argued to allow extension elements attributes using extension
namespaces, but couldn't get support for that.

> ...

Best regards, Julian