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Re: [rfc-i] Paper as an archival format for RFCs

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Fri, 17 February 2017 04:03 UTC

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On 2/16/2017 2:49 PM, Craig Partridge wrote:
> Keep in mind that I do communicate occasionally with professional
> archivists.  They remain torn between the need to try to find a way to
> save digital artifacts and a strong sense that their solutions are likely to
> fail.
>
> I agree that asking a professional librarian is a fine solution.  But I
> would
> ask them the question in the form: would you prefer printed copies on
> archival paper or digital copy? (As opposed to the -- "can you archive
> digital material?" -- to which they feel obliged to try to say yes, but may
> prefer to say no).


+1.  And given the observed controversy, this means asking a number of 
independent archivists.

I suggest then producing the union of their answers, not the intersection.

d/

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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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