Re: [rfc-i] New proposal/New SOW comment period

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Fri, 13 September 2019 15:55 UTC

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:54:59 -0400
From: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
To: Sarah Banks <sbanks@encrypted.net>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>, iab@iab.org
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] New proposal/New SOW comment period
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Sarah and everyone else,

It has been pointed out to me off list that I didn't mention the
process Heather is trying to convene to discuss general
directions.   I apologize; it is what happens when I try to cut
a message down to shorten it.

I think that is a great idea.  

But, in the context of my earlier note, what I'm worried about
is the community perception of the credibility of the steering
and decision processes.  In that context, I'd like to see
Heather (or a panel acting as a surrogate for Heather and her
predecessors) actually have the leadership responsibility and
authority for this, not just acting to convene interested people
for a discussion, something that, in principle, any IETF
participant could do.

I hope that is a bit more clear and, again, apologies for the
omission.

   john

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