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"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Wed, 30 March 2022 14:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?)]
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As far as I can tell, the answer to that either / or question is "yes".
That is, as I understand it there is no intention that the tao be 
comprehensive.  it is intended to be a starting point.  It is also 
important that it not be misleading  And that it cover the important 
points we as community consider important for newcomers.

For example, the point that I-Ds are not standards is something folks 
get wrong, something some marketers mislead about, and something that is 
important to understand in working in the process.

Yours,
Joel

On 3/30/2022 10:22 AM, Salz, Rich wrote:
> Should the Tao be yet another definitive document on everything IETF, or 
> should It be enough to convey the "sense" of the IETF? I am most 
> definitively in the latter camp. I base this view on having given the 
> newcomer's tutorial *MANY* times, been heavily involved with EMODIR and 
> its predecessor for years, and having countless discussions with 
> newcomers at various meet and greets, guides/mentors, etc.
> 
> I have copied Brian's comments into an issue which you can find at 
> https://github.com/ietf/tao/issues/44 
> <https://github.com/ietf/tao/issues/44>
> 

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