Re: [rfc-i] getting SVG of RFC diagrams

"Paul Duffy (paduffy)" <paduffy@cisco.com> Sat, 25 November 2023 15:11 UTC

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From: "Paul Duffy (paduffy)" <paduffy@cisco.com>
To: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>, "rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org" <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>
Thread-Topic: [rfc-i] getting SVG of RFC diagrams
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] getting SVG of RFC diagrams
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IMO what is needed is IETF ability to support multi part documents with the durability of single part RFCs.  Main body being the RFC itself with code section references ... all durably stored and accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: rfc-interest <rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org> On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2023 6:51 PM
To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org
Subject: Re: [rfc-i] getting SVG of RFC diagrams

On 11/24/23 9:57 AM, Paul Duffy (paduffy) wrote:
> Inlining of any code snippets beyond a few lines long IMO is nothing more that aggravation and friction for the developer community that needs the ability to quickly inject the source into useful tooling.
> 
> And inlining often leads to a nearly unreadable mess in the RFC.
The inlining is needed in order to preserve the stability of RFC over time, regardless of what might happen to the original sources. You could of course put an explicit reference to the original source in your document.

An alternative that I think I have seen discussed, is to leave the reference but also have an IETF managed backup, that automatically takes over if the original link is broken. But there is much complexity here.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2023 9:44 AM
> To: Paul Duffy (paduffy) <paduffy@cisco.com>
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> Subject: Re: [rfc-i] getting SVG of RFC diagrams
> 
> On 2023-11-24, at 15:39, Paul Duffy (paduffy) <paduffy=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>> Help me understand.
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-duffy-csmp/
>>
>> Section 3.2.1
>>
>> Originally provided as link to external OpenAPI. Super easy for developer to import that link directly into OpenAPI tooling.
> 
> Makes sense during development.
> 
>> I was told this will not acceptable and must be inlined into the draft.
> 
> Once you enter WGLC and IESG processing, yes.
> 
> This leads to the desirability of the URI convention described by me.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
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