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"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Wed, 30 March 2022 01:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Tao [3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?)]
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I want to reinforce Brian's point that you seem to be removing important 
things.

Who is doing this editing?

Yours,
Joel

On 3/29/2022 8:59 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> Hi Rich,
> 
> I can't reduce this to a PR. It seems to me that the proposed new text 
> for the Tao has lost some very important parts of the old text. It 
> doesn't state that I-Ds expire after 6 months (which they still do, 
> unless we amend RFC 2026), it doesn't underline that "They are most 
> definitely not standards" and it doesn't state that they must only be 
> cited as "work in progress". There's no need to quote BCP 9, but I think 
> the points should be made.
> 
> Also, BTW, as well as mentioning the optional Privacy Considerations, 
> why not mention the optional Implementation Status section (RFC7942 = 
> BCP 205)?
> 
> Regards
>     Brian
> 
> On 30-Mar-22 10:47, Salz, Rich wrote:
>>>     These couple of sentences in the Tao are actually from RFC2026 
>>> and about the transient state of I-Ds.
>>
>> In fact, the current version of the Tao (maintained at 
>> https://github.com/ietf/tao) doesn't have that language, but instead 
>> just points to BCP 9. Phrases like "work in progress" are also 
>> removed, pointing to BCP 9.
>>
>> We only just finished editing/merging before IETF 113, and there 
>> wasn't time to update the website.  Please take a look at the GitHub 
>> repo and see if the language there needs to be fixed.
>>
>> I think Valery's point got lost :(
>>
>>
> 

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