Re: [rfc-i] draft-kuehlewind-update-tag/
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Wed, 25 March 2020 23:25 UTC
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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] draft-kuehlewind-update-tag/
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Point 1: Whats a native english speakers explanation why "Amended" is significantly better than "Updated" For example, in IP multicast, we have this bible document RFC1112, where the rfc1112bis i would like to write (time perrmitting ;-) would mostly consist of removing 50% of the doc which specifies what we would now call IGMPv1 - an obsolete protocol. To me, this rfc1112bis would well be characterized with the word "Updated", but not the word "Amended", because to me (non-native speaker), "Amended" sound a bit like "there is more" (not a lot less). Point 2: I am not sure the distinction between Amended and Extended is going to work well, because i can esily see a single follow-up RFC to do both. There may be one section, where a MUST statement refers and changes behavior that existed in the reference RFC and is therefore an "Amendment" MUST. Then there is a second feature introducing a new feature, which for this RFC is a MUST, so... how would i even distinguish these two MUST ? And it seems that a single Amendment MUST "kills" 20 new MUSTs that are Extensions. Cheers Toerless On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 11:12:37PM +0000, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > > From: rfc-interest <rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org> On Behalf Of Martin Duke > Sent: 25 March 2020 22:41 > To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > Subject: [rfc-i] draft-kuehlewind-update-tag/ > > What I was going to say in the queue: > > Like mnot, I think Updated should mean "Amended". It may be worth it to change the term just to create awareness to tighten the meaning. > [RW] > +1 to Updated meaning Amended, but I think that we could keep the tag name the same, but just specify exactly what its behaviour is. > > But I dislike the idea of having "Extends" and "See Also". I foresee foundational documents (like RFC 793) with a few pages of RFC references before the text starts. That is useless. Plus the formal existence of these categories will encourage people to use them. > [RW] > I like the idea of ???Extends??? but not ???Extended By???. I.e. I think that it is useful for an RFC to indicate which base spec it is extending, but I don???t think that the base spec needs to indicate which optional RFCs it has been extended by. > > If we would like better forward-tracing of standards evolution through time, I would prefer if the datatracker and rfc-editor pages simply listed the times the RFC was cited by other RFCs both normatively and informatively. I think that would be sufficient and automatable. > [RW] > I see ???Extends??? as something different to Normative reference. > > Regards, > Rob > > > TLDR, rename Updated to Amended, build the citation tool, and call it done. > > Martin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > rfc-interest mailing list > rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest -- --- tte@cs.fau.de _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest
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