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"HANSEN, TONY L" <tony@att.com> Mon, 09 May 2022 19:32 UTC

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From: "HANSEN, TONY L" <tony@att.com>
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Updates to RFC XML
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On 5/9/2022, 2:39 PM, "rfc-interest on behalf of John R Levine" <rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org on behalf of johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

    Well, that was cryptic.

    Here's the coding changes I'd like to make to published RFCs so they 
    better match the final v3 spec.

    In the <rfc> element, make the docName attribute the name of the RFC, 
    e.g., "rfc9999" rather than the draft it used to be.  The draft name is 
    available in a <link> element.

+1

    <postal> element, replace the current complex format that needs an 
    abandonware library to render with a list of <postalline> and <country> at 
    the end.

+1

    <link> elements in the XML are quite unlike what RFC7991 specified and 
    instead are almost but not quite compatible with HTML weblinks.  I would 
    prefer to put them back the way 7991 says, or failing that, make them 
    entirely compatible with weblinks.  In the rendered HTML, the links are of 
    course weblinks, this is about the

How much are links used as input by authors? If not and only as output from the prep tool, I think we need to move forward to weblink-compatible. But if they ARE used by authors, then you might be stuck accepting both forms, with weblink the preferred form moving forward.

    Remove the generated <toc> element in prepped XML.  It's not used when 
    rendering the document (xml2rfc scans the section headers), takes up 
    space, and is confusing.  The TOC in rendered text, HTML, and PDF would be 
    unaffected.

Based on our discussion offline, this is perfectly reasonable. +1

	Tony

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