Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0
Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> Fri, 18 October 2019 18:12 UTC
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Hi Sandy, One question, below: On 2019-10-18 19:33, Sandy Ginoza wrote: > Hi all, > > >> On Oct 18, 2019, at 9:41 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote: >> >> On 18.10.2019 18:05, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>> >>> On 2019-10-18 17:49, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>>> On Oct 18, 2019, at 16:54, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'd be more than happy to move to <br/> if we could make that useful for >>>>> the RPC. >>>>> >>>>> I think most people who voiced an viewpoint on that was for making it >>>>> generally available, but when I proposed how to do that, it seemed to >>>>> run into opposition again. >>>> >>>> There were some questions about line-breaking in titles in general >>>> (whether <br/> or U+2028). >>>> >>>> I think that there is wide consensus about using <br/> in favor of >>>> U+2028. >>>> >>>> The fact that unlike the former, the latter is not visible in the >>>> schemas makes U+2028 a great way to cheat around the consensus. We >>>> should not do that. >>>> >>>> As in the question about restricting Unicode character sets, I >>>> believe that — as long as the vocabulary has a meaning — the schema >>>> (mechanism) is not the place to make restrictions based on beauty, >>>> style etc. (policy). So I would prefer to have <br/> in the places in >>>> the schema where it has well-defined semantics. We can figure out >>>> later whether this is always, only exceptionally, or never good >>>> style. >>> >>> I agree with this. So again, I propose to permit <br> as a child element >>> of these elements, where I think the semantics of a <br> would be well- >>> defined: >>> >>> blockquote >>> dd >>> dt >>> em >>> li >>> name >>> strong >>> t >>> td >>> th >>> title >>> tt >>> >>> Should <sub> and <sup> be in that list? If we compare with the places where >>> for instance <bcp14> is permitted, the answer would be 'yes'; but I'm not >>> sure it's the right thing to do. >>> ... >> >> For <title>, I will continue to ask about the use case (line break >> opportunity vs required line break vs title & subtitle), as this affects >> what would happen if it occurs in a <reference>, or if there's an <xref> >> with format="title”. > > I don’t think we'll need <br> in titles; it's sufficient to have wj, > nbsp, and nbhy. > > If we come across examples where <br> would be useful in titles, we > can revisit this discussion at that time. However, please note that > if this case arises, it means publication of the document will be > delayed until xml2rfc is updated. So, how would you handle the first of my two examples in an earlier message in this thread: The title of my implementation notes draft, which requires more than one line both in text, html and pdf rendering: Implementation notes for RFC7991, "The 'xml2rfc' Version 3 Vocabulary" Regards, Henrik
- [Rfc-markdown] New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 Henrik Levkowetz
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, wa… HANSEN, TONY L
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Sandy Ginoza
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Miek Gieben
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> is back, wa… Paul Hoffman
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… HANSEN, TONY L
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Sandy Ginoza
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Julian Reschke
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc] [xml2rfc-dev] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Julian Reschke
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Carsten Bormann
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
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- Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc-dev] [xml2rfc] <br> i… Henrik Levkowetz
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