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Re: [Rfc-markdown] No longer need to run xml2rfc --v2v3 before I-D submission

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Tue, 27 July 2021 00:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rfc-markdown] No longer need to run xml2rfc --v2v3 before I-D submission
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> On 27 Jul 2021, at 10:22 am, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-07-27, at 02:17, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27 Jul 2021, at 10:13 am, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2021-07-27, at 01:58, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Carsten! I've converted one of my drafts' toolchain to use this, and it seems to work well (with some differences in the XML, which is to be expected).
>>> 
>>> The XML left in the drafts repository by the current submission engine is the unconverted one.
>> 
>> Sorry, I don't understand?
> 
> The XML when you don’t convert before sending is the one that gets to the I-D repo, so it certainly will look different.
> 
>>>> One question: do you have any plans to tidy the XML output (e.g., with indentation, etc.)?
>>> 
>>> There actually is code to do some indentation.
>>> 
>>> There have never been bug reports on this, so it seems it is mostly non-functional now.
>>> 
>>> What are the requirements on that tidying?
>> 
>> Just aesthetic; if the XML is going to be the canonical format, it's nice if it's somewhat pretty.
> 
> But the RPC makes sure of that :-)
> 
>> Also, it reduces the chances of the RPC making unnecessary diffs in their work.
> 
> They will start from the v2v3 output, so there will be tons of diffs from an unconverted hybrid document.

Sorry, now I'm really confused.

My understanding was that (with the appropriate flags), kramdown-rfc2629 will now generate v3 output. That's what I've changed my toolchain to do. Are you saying that the submission tool will somehow munge that back to v2, then up to v3 again?

Cheers,



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