Re: [Rfc-markdown] Markdown for presentations
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> > There also have been various HTML-based slide presenters. In the mid-2000s s5.html was popular; today reveal.js seems to be leading the mindshare in javascript packages for putting up HTML-based slides. This is a nice package, though maybe heavier than what is needed when using a Git powered workflow. It has good design choices. > > remark [1] [2], as used by the hackathon template, enables the use of markdown inside such an HTML-based deck; the JavaScript slide presenter inside an HTML shell essentially interprets that pasted-in markdown. > My only worry is that some knowledge of HTML is required to use remark. > Today, many markdown-based tools also include a slide mode. > For instance the markdown-based collaborative editor Hedgedoc (née hackmd and then for a while CodiMD) has a slide mode; this is directly accessible on IETF’s codimd.ietf.org as well. This is nice, seems to use revealjs. Does not require knowledge of Git. > > I personally use a paid Mac-only tool called Deckset (which I cannot recommend to IETFers, but only because of “the illusion of vendor support” [RFC0873]). It does serve me well, and the markdown ports back and forth great between code, slides, and I-Ds. Nice to see that people are building other tools based on this. > > The slide deck aspect (new slide, incremental builds, footers, styles) of markdown isn’t really written down, so everyone has their own little markdown extensions, e.g., [3], but these are similar enough and slide decks are usually small enough that a little hand conversion doesn’t hurt too much. > Markdown slides do enable a very nice separation of concerns between the content and the template. Modifying a parser is ok for those with technical backgrounds/interest. There will be an audience of people, not all of whom have high technical backgrounds/interest, who want to make their presentation decks available to their presenters while they speak. Making it easy to create portable Markdown presentation content might be helpful. PDF is not so great for online viewing and sharing, for example for IETF presentations: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/110/proceedings Having a consistent format would also enable better data tracking of IETF presentation content. > Grüße, Carsten > > [1]: https://github.com/gnab/remark > [2]: https://remarkjs.com/ > [RFC0873]: Padlipsky, M., "Illusion of vendor support", RFC 873, DOI 10.17487/RFC0873, September 1982, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc873>. > [3]: https://github.com/gnab/remark/wiki/Markdown >
- [Rfc-markdown] Markdown for presentations Benson Muite
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] Markdown for presentations Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rfc-markdown] Markdown for presentations Benson Muite