Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Wed, 11 July 2018 17:38 UTC

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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:38:01 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor
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Hi Peter,
At 09:24 AM 11-07-2018, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>We as a community seem to be confused about what level of "peer review"
>we think is important, appropriate, necessary, or sufficient. We're
>engineers, not academics, so comparing our publications to academic
>journals might not be relevant.

Do IETF participants need a license [1] in the practice of 
engineering?  There are academics who have authored RFCs in some of 
the Streams.

There is an IAB RFC about citability of for scholarly 
publications.  Why would academic journals not be relevant?

There has to be some level of review or else there wouldn't be any 
quality control.  I agree that there is some confusion on the level 
of review which is required.  It has been an issue over the past 
decade.  Some of the discussions about RFCs have a strong correlation 
to "IETF problems".

Regards,
S. Moonesamy

1. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/business/traffic-light-fine.html