Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor
"Aaron Falk" <aaron.falk@gmail.com> Tue, 10 July 2018 20:23 UTC
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From: Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com>
To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net>, rfcplusplus@ietf.org, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:23:42 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor
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On 10 Jul 2018, at 16:09, Ted Hardie wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net> > wrote: > >> >> If the IRTF determines that it would prefer a different publication >> venue, >> I certainly have no problem with that. We shouldn't force >> researchers to >> publish their work as RFCs. (I didn't think we did so, but ...) If >> I were >> a researcher, I'd probably want to publish in a reputable academic >> journal, >> but perhaps my academic experience is a bit dated. >> >> But that's really irrelevant to the main topic of this discussion. >> What we >> are primarily discussing is whether we should prohibit folks from >> publishing RFCs when they want to do so and find it valuable to do >> so. >> That's a completely different question. >> >> > I must respectfully disagree that this is an irrelevant question. The > proposed experiment would establish new identifiers for the work of > the > IRTF currently published as a stream within the RFC series. That > output > might (and I acknowledge again that it is only "might") change the > academic > assessment of that output while retaining its other characteristics. > I > personally believe this question is thus on topic for a discussion of > the > experiment. As the IRTF chair when this stream was formalized I should point out that an important reason for RGs to publish RFCs is the same reason that they are RGs in the first place: to have their work be adjacent, influence, and possibly migrate to the IETF. Of course, that is not the only reason we have RGs but it is a good reason to have non-standards track output in similar format & repositories as the IETF. IIRC, the copyrights for IRTF stream RFCs default to permit publication elsewhere to allow for easy submission in more-recognized forums. Finally, I haven't seen anyone present that helping IRTF output get more recognition is a goal of this activity. Is someone asking for this? --aaron
- [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Bob Hinden
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Bob Hinden
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Melinda Shore
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- [Rfcplusplus] What would the ISE publish [Was: Co… RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk