Re: [Rfcplusplus] What do we want to give up? (was Re: Appeal of IESG Conflict Review process and decision on draft-mavrogiannopoulos-pkcs8-validated-parameters-02)
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Mon, 09 July 2018 20:55 UTC
Return-Path: <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: rfcplusplus@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rfcplusplus@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A4013107A for <rfcplusplus@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJjDIfI2L_kq for <rfcplusplus@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:55:13 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-oi0-x22d.google.com (mail-oi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 766421310D8 for <rfcplusplus@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-oi0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id v8-v6so38519132oie.5 for <rfcplusplus@ietf.org>; Mon, 09 Jul 2018 13:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=myXEoC/5LS9Ejn2WFa7cgDUPm3caxSNqrN9PMjI2wDM=; b=HDr/ca8EgMQqLD3DrOPDgx9BU+POerwx6mHKbffIT0EH00oozuDf6kLU80GAHkhb8M piK3y5vVbf2MVlrF7tKdNz/cggzlPutWRnpCy/1wKN1zeD61V1io6iQFUk7i57624it0 tBQFnogEljiQ0pdjS0dFYzyTvSRZJ/oCT5TOkYU/EUlO4OqoTdCwNHGQEL/sdJeSpErd 9Ut/AvPT9JsHFBgEd+THKhkGQQulXpDAoBh8tlRyQt4ghDNjDhHQGuyOzC/J2gQ5aMZO XakzpmOQAAIRPaH38ElsYojgQ6vnvJ09n22S0Qi7qG1tejnFyBATNqg7Ltz56Aezms9a 7X9g==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=myXEoC/5LS9Ejn2WFa7cgDUPm3caxSNqrN9PMjI2wDM=; b=OiHVHEFpYLlM8grtTqiY4GGH38gzFhhQkjAFmHanMqV78RF43uaQMdYKHA+ttDmZ1Z 8DLF8gXfTxDtHTgo4wCHb6ghdTnVuZ0syxBsMsdb/NYgWXMJ15xke2XZy95uUGHX8la5 rVI3Bw7tmkBMp+OXr4JshRDCKSsv9EI49eIQRTR4CdSDKwrJd81HS1dodPSQGz4xNQzZ ATRRFKTwGeD43FL76MxsxE+LHOmKTCp4Xw/SFa9IRA0wdMrXrmde93M1j3ce7lWFvcKQ Tf9L3eRWqPXcj/5z+p61l+O+NzLjeVQuRxTFrvoMhKocyki6yteOEx+7uh7StGZGl4IF J36w==
X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E2AF+RpTuS14i9ISp0nEYm72KBo+Pi5NTqNqB0vcAwvr5lbaeKB LMNKEAfKCR1Bqg0nD/z4+N8tfRCAidk6ZRn+1LQ=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpeg3+a47+vVjG1bxiFJ0ORjndj6rpM5qnV5mSQEvkAY424jUKmAtkEh+QWbsd/ZWZclZ0Rkc7bJ8mI6z7sfgMk=
X-Received: by 2002:aca:120e:: with SMTP id 14-v6mr11465971ois.144.1531169707493; Mon, 09 Jul 2018 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <57A2C19672ED019677D8905E@PSB> <20180709154623.GH8628@mx4.yitter.info> <CAHbuEH53LsuVZb-6Vqz3_ZfoZJVrcDoasSTnkRt18gpwUuBhgw@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAHbuEH53LsuVZb-6Vqz3_ZfoZJVrcDoasSTnkRt18gpwUuBhgw@mail.gmail.com>
From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 06:54:57 +1000
Message-ID: <CABkgnnUrdk6aJkegPN4Z6GVRbEvhKumhzikwdOjL_PFdyK8+Xg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com>, rfcplusplus@ietf.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rfcplusplus/QAIhY2m5lLjNQfKe5gIs6JmkGTw>
Subject: Re: [Rfcplusplus] What do we want to give up? (was Re: Appeal of IESG Conflict Review process and decision on draft-mavrogiannopoulos-pkcs8-validated-parameters-02)
X-BeenThere: rfcplusplus@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27
Precedence: list
List-Id: For discussion of the RFC++ BoF proposal and related ideas <rfcplusplus.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/rfcplusplus>, <mailto:rfcplusplus-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/rfcplusplus/>
List-Post: <mailto:rfcplusplus@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rfcplusplus-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rfcplusplus>, <mailto:rfcplusplus-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 20:55:24 -0000
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:27 AM Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > I didn't read the appeal the same way you did. I read it as in the > IESG didn't document the reasons for the recommendation as part of the > conflict review and there were a few reasons in looking at the > document that the IESG recommendation didn't make sense. Typically, > there is reasoning provided with these reviews if the response is one > as strong as Do Not Publish and that explanation was lacking in this > conflict review. The reviews don't take a lot of time even noted by > Martin in his draft. Kathleen's assessment of the cost of conflict review here more closely matches mine (not as much the appeal, but I'm not going into that). That is, the IESG - in determining whether there is a conflict - does not spend inordinate amounts of time on independent submissions. But that is primarily because this is explicitly not a technical review. My impression is that Andrew's comment is addressed at the technical quality of documents.
- [Rfcplusplus] What do we want to give up? (was Re… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] What do we want to give up? (wa… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] What do we want to give up? (wa… Martin Thomson