Re: [Rfcplusplus] IRTF stream considerations

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

On 12/07/2018 18:26, Adam Roach wrote:
> On 7/12/18 12:40 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> No, I'm not trying to move goalposts (although where they are is still
>> unclear to me).
> 
> We appear to be talking past each other, and for that I apologize. I 
> used non-literal language that assumed a shared cultural context, and 
> that's bad form on my part. I meant the term "moving the goalposts" as a 
> reference to the informal logical fallacy [1], not some metaphor 
> regarding reaching consensus or finding interested participants.

Understood, but sometimes, when you reach an initial conclusion, another
difficulty then appears. That isn't so much moving the goalposts as
discovering new goalposts further along.
 
>> But for the RFC-producing community as whole, I currently have no idea
>> where the goal posts are. To quote my draft "How to reach out to this
>> community is in itself a big question."
> 
> It's not exactly tenable to hypothesize some unidentifiable group of 
> uncontacted peoples with an interest in the topic and conclude that 
> things must stay now just as they ever have been as a consequence.

No, and that wasn't at all what I intended to imply. What I mean is
that *if* the IETF decides, by its own process, that the IETF wants
to make a change, *then* the next stage must be a serious effort to
discuss it with the rest of the community. Currently, we don't have a
clear method for that.

(fwiw, I would like to see some changes - but not the one
implied by draft-thomson-rfcplusplus-label-00).

((fwiw, I'm now very close to entering radio silence until I reach Monteal))

   Brian


> That 
> rationale would have blocked the format work as well. We allowed the 
> rfc-interest mailing list to stand in as a proxy for that community in 
> that case -- it would be inconsistent to claim that we can't use it in 
> this one.
> 
> /a
> 
> ____
> [1] 
> https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/129/Moving-the-Goalposts
> 
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