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Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Tue, 10 July 2018 19:20 UTC

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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:19:58 -0700
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Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>, rfcplusplus@ietf.org
To: Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor
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> On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:06 AM, Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net> wrote:
> 
> On 7/9/2018 11:24 AM, Ted Hardie wrote:
>> the academic community's failure to value the output of the IRTF
> 
> I don't understand the relevance of this issue to anything being discussed here.
> 
> If a RG wishes to publish its output in a respected academic journal, I don't think there is anything to stop them.
> 
> Maintaining the current publication process for RG output but changing the name from "RFC" to "IRTF-Masterpiece" is not going to make any difference in how the academic community values the work.

Worse, I suspect it will make it harder.  The RFC Series is well known, the “IRTF-Masterpice” series will be new and not trusted.

Bob

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