Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor
Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net> Tue, 10 July 2018 19:59 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor
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On 7/10/2018 3:28 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > One thing we_do_ have some data about is the low regard in which the > RFC series is held in many academic contexts, because it is not > considered a peer reviewed publication and because it is often > considered a series for technical standards rather than for academic > research. If the IRTF determines that it would prefer a different publication venue, I certainly have no problem with that. We shouldn't force researchers to publish their work as RFCs. (I didn't think we did so, but ...) If I were a researcher, I'd probably want to publish in a reputable academic journal, but perhaps my academic experience is a bit dated. But that's really irrelevant to the main topic of this discussion. What we are primarily discussing is whether we should prohibit folks from publishing RFCs when they want to do so and find it valuable to do so. That's a completely different question.
- [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Bob Hinden
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Bob Hinden
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Melinda Shore
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- [Rfcplusplus] What would the ISE publish [Was: Co… RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk