Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor
Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 10 July 2018 18:15 UTC
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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:15:22 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor
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Howdy, On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net> wrote: > On 7/9/2018 11:24 AM, Ted Hardie wrote: > >> the academic community's failure to value the output of the IRTF >> > > I don't understand the relevance of this issue to anything being discussed > here. > > If a RG wishes to publish its output in a respected academic journal, I > don't think there is anything to stop them. > > I meant specifically "output as RFCs", sorry that wasn't as clear as it needed to be. > Maintaining the current publication process for RG output but changing the > name from "RFC" to "IRTF-Masterpiece" is not going to make any difference > in how the academic community values the work. > > That's not what others are saying. The problem as it has been explained to me is that tenure committees and similar academic assessments look at the output of the individual in part by looking at where the output has appeared. When it appears in a series which looks to them to be primarily engineering specifications, it is not valued as highly. A differently labeled series which was entirely composed of research output might be valued differently. I agree with Eliot's earlier point that this is a "might", and that the value ascribed to it depends not just on its output but on the work done to highlight the stream's output. regards, Ted
- [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Bob Hinden
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Bob Hinden
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Melinda Shore
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk
- [Rfcplusplus] What would the ISE publish [Was: Co… RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Ted Hardie
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Eliot Lear
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor S Moonesamy
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Conversation as metaphor Aaron Falk