Re: [Rfcplusplus] Sunk cost + not about us
Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> Wed, 11 July 2018 11:03 UTC
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From: Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:02:50 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Rfcplusplus] Sunk cost + not about us
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 04:32 S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote: > Hi Joseph, > At 03:05 PM 10-07-2018, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: > >However, the document series still baffles me, and I know a lot of > >folks that squint at IETF and don't understand any of the > >distinctions we do (I would have answered the survey question as > >there being only 4 document series). Alissa had the unenviable task > >at one point of sitting me down and telling me the difference > >between and ID and RFC, even after I had thoroughly read the Tao and > >been to a couple IETFs. (The ID we've been working on for a while I > >even named (incorrectly) when setting up a github repository as an > >RFC: https://github.com/josephlhall/rfc-censorship-tech ). > > The IETF changed its position on Internet-Drafts a few years > ago. There are cases where Internet-Drafts have been referenced as RFCs. > > As an off-topic comment, the repository states that the discussions > of the work occurs on the censorship working group mailing list. I > could not find that IETF working group. There is certainly no WG for that; I suspect a typo or relic of the template used. > -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall Chief Technologist, Center for Democracy & Technology [https://www.cdt.org] 1401 K ST NW STE 200, Washington DC 20005-3497 e: joe@cdt.org, p: 202.407.8825, pgp: https://josephhall.org/gpg-key Fingerprint: 3CA2 8D7B 9F6D DBD3 4B10 1607 5F86 6987 40A9 A871
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- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Sunk cost + not about us Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Sunk cost + not about us Joel M. Halpern
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- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Sunk cost + not about us Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Sunk cost + not about us S Moonesamy
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- Re: [Rfcplusplus] Sunk cost + not about us John C Klensin
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