[rmcat] WGLC comments on draft-ietf-rmcat-coupled-cc-03

Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> Thu, 08 September 2016 13:28 UTC

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Hi

I have read through draft-ietf-rmcat-coupled-cc-03, just a few comments.

List of variables :
I find myself scrolling forth and back in the document I search for an explanation to all the variables, perhaps a dedicated list of variables and their meaning would be good ?

Section 5.3.1 :
My understanding here is that this algorithm does assume that the media coder will produce an output bitrate that is FSE_R. In reality the output rate from a video coder may be considerably lower than the target if for instance the image is more or less static. I guess that the means that bandwidth becomes unallocated or ? .
It seems like this "underutilization problem" is  discussed in Appendix B where the "desired rate" is mention, is this DR to be set equal to the video coder output rate ?

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