Re: [rohc] TCP/IP EPIC profile
"West, Mark (ITN)" <mark.a.west@roke.co.uk> Fri, 15 March 2002 15:18 UTC
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From: "West, Mark (ITN)" <mark.a.west@roke.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [rohc] TCP/IP EPIC profile
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Hi Hongbin,
Some more attempts at answers!
Cheers,
Mark.
>
> 1. Processing of TCP No-Operation may miss in the EPIC-LITE TCP/IP
> Profile since this option is a single octet of option-kind (no
> option-length). It can not be handled using 'tcp-generic-co' which read
> option-length to determine how many octets should be uncompressed.
>
Sorry! I had not noticed that NOP was missing from the option LIST
encoding...
NOP can be trivially handled by a VALUE encoding which handles the
'type' (nothing else is necessary), following the pattern of the 'end of
options' encoding:
tcp-option-nop = VALUE(8,1,100%) ; type
(but, see later...)
> 2. As you said, the 'presence' and 'order' meta-field sizes have to
> be increased to N bits and N*ceiling(log2(N-1)) bits respectively, N is
> the number of methods in LIST encoding. For example, as recommended in
> several RFCs and DRAFTs in IETF working group, SACK & Timestamp both
> will be widely used in future Internet, there may exist 4 TCP
> No-Operation options for work-alignment:
>
> NOOP, NOOP, SACK, NOOP, NOOP, Timestamp
>
> To support at leasst 4 occurances of TCP No-Op option, the number of
> methods in tcp-options-dyn/tcp-options-co have to be increased to 12 (8
> original one + 4 tcp-noop methods). The presence and order are enlarged
> to 12 bits and 48 bits, totally 60 bits (at least in IR/IR-DYN, CO will
> be discussed later) regardless of how many TCP options are included in
> one TCP/IP. Furhtermore, the 60 bits donesn't count the compressed bits
> for options themselves, such as SACK, Timestamp and etc. I'm not sure
> whether it is a efficient way to compressed TCP options. Since, at
> most, TCP options can only occupy 192 bits ((64-40)*8), the compressed
> TCP options' meta fields (60 bits) alone will count about 30% of the
> uncompressed TCP options. If other options, such MSS, may introduce more
> NOOP options, how to determine the maximum occurances of TCP
> No-Operation option?
>
In terms of picking the right count for the maximum number of NOPs, I
don't know the answer - other than making an educated guess.
However, having thought some more about this, I'm not sure that we
actually need to support [many] NOPs in the LIST encoding. Since one of
the common uses is to word-align other options, we can handle the NOPs
within the option encoding.
To use timestamps as an example, we could re-write the encoding used in
the LIST as:
tcp-timestamp-co = padded-ts(50%) | unpadded-ts(50%)
padded-ts = base-ts-option
tcp-nop-option
tcp-nop-option
unpadded-ts = base-ts-option
tcp-nop-option = VALUE(8,0,100%)
This effectively adds a flag to the TS option encoding to indicate
whether padding is present or not.
Alternatively, an encoding similar to the PAD method that is introduced
in the example SCTP profile that we've started looking at
(http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-west-sctp-epic-00.txt)
could be used, though this might be considered excessive.
In general, the meta-data is expected to be quite stable, and so should
not need to be sent repeatedly. This is obviously true for lengthy
connections. However, it might be worth looking at further with regard
to the impact on short-lived flows.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Hongbin L.
>
> 15/03/2002
>
>
--
Mark A. West, Consultant Engineer
Roke Manor Research Ltd., Romsey, Hants. SO51 0ZN
Phone +44 (0)1794 833311 Fax +44 (0)1794 833433
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