RE: [rohc] TCP/IP EPIC profile
"Qian Zhang" <qianz@microsoft.com> Thu, 14 March 2002 10:22 UTC
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Subject: RE: [rohc] TCP/IP EPIC profile
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:16:26 +0800
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From: "Qian Zhang" <qianz@microsoft.com>
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Hi Per, Please see my comments inline... Regards, Qian -----Original Message----- From: Per Synnergren (EPL) [mailto:Per.Synnergren@epl.ericsson.se] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:38 PM To: 'rohc@ietf.org' Subject: RE: [rohc] TCP/IP EPIC profile Hi all, A question "out of the blue"... Hongbin Liao wrote: 1. whether can TCP/IP EPIC profile correctly describe the behavior of TCP? Or, whether EPIC is powerful enough to describe the complicated behavior of TCP/IP? In EPIC, fields are assumed to be independent from each other. Once each field's behaviors are described well, the whole protocol's behaviors are also well-studied. However, in practice, fields in a protocol may not behave independently completely from each other. There may be some connections (or causality) among several fields. For example, most TCP traffics only contain one-way traffic (WWW browsing, FTP downloading, etc.), i.e., only SEQ changes on the forward path (from server to client) and only ACK changes on the backward path (from client to server). The ACK on the forward path and SEQ on the backward path remain constant. However, in TCP/IP EPIC profile, the probabilities for SEQ and ACK are specified seperately: It is obvious that knowledge about "TCP inter-field correlation" could be useful in order to increase the performance of the header compression. [Qian] Since there exist the "inter-field correlation" in TCP protocol (actually in other protocols, such as SCTP and RTP, there also such correlation), we need to represent those correlations accurately for compression efficiency. Has anyone heard of/or performed thorough studies of the cross-correlation between TCP-fields? [Qian] Interesting! As we discussed before in the mailing list, there are several TCP options that will only occur in SYN packet. Of course, that is an example for cross-correlation. For example, as defined in [RFC2018], the Sack-Permitted Option "may be sent in a SYN by a TCP that has been extended to receive (and presumably process) the SACK option once the connection has opened. It MUST NOT be sent on non-SYN segments.". As Mark mentioned in his email, more detail analysis about TCP behavior can be found in http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-west-tcpip-field-behavior-0 1.txt <http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-west-tcpip-field-behavior- 01.txt> and ROHC-TCP draft. We are refining this now, any comments are welcome.
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