Re: Last Call for draft-ietf-rolc-apr-00.txt

Joel Halpern <jhalpern@newbridge.com> Wed, 25 October 1995 18:40 UTC

Received: from ietf.nri.reston.va.us by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa15472; 25 Oct 95 14:40 EDT
Received: from guelah.nexen.com by IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa15467; 25 Oct 95 14:40 EDT
Received: from maelstrom.nexen.com ([204.249.99.5]) by guelah.nexen.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA16958; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:04:45 -0400
Received: (from root@localhost) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA27150 for rolc-out; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:15:45 -0400
Received: from nexen.nexen.com (nexen.nexen.com [204.249.96.18]) by maelstrom.nexen.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA27141 for <rolc@nexen.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:15:42 -0400
Received: from ns.newbridge.com (ns.Newbridge.Com [192.75.23.67]) by nexen.nexen.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA14884 for <rolc@nexen.com>; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:14:36 -0400
Received: (from adm@localhost) by ns.newbridge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA02520; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:10:11 -0400
Received: from portero(192.75.23.66) by ns via smap (V1.3) id sma002502; Wed Oct 25 14:09:46 1995
Received: from mako.us.Newbridge.com (mako.us.newbridge.com [138.120.85.99]) by kanmaster.ca.newbridge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA18040; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:09:42 -0400
Received: from lobster.Newbridge.COM by mako.us.Newbridge.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA17983; Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:04:52 EDT
Received: by lobster.Newbridge.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16063; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:08:46 +0500
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:08:46 +0500
Sender: ietf-archive-request@IETF.CNRI.Reston.VA.US
From: Joel Halpern <jhalpern@newbridge.com>
Message-Id: <9510251808.AA16063@lobster.Newbridge.COM>
To: curtis@ans.net
Subject: Re: Last Call for draft-ietf-rolc-apr-00.txt
Cc: rolc@nexen.com
X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII
Content-Length: 1704
X-Orig-Sender: owner-rolc@nexen.com
Precedence: bulk
X-Info: Submissions to rolc@nexen.com
X-Info: [Un]Subscribe requests to rolc-request@nexen.com
X-Info: Archives for rolc via ftp://ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/ietf-mail-archive/rolc/

I think that there is one other aspect of the situation here.
One of the thinks which is not necessarly agreed, but which I assume, is
that it is better for the system if long-lived communications use direct
VCs.  This is not a matter of meeting the users QoS requirements, but of
using the system resources effectively.

Thus, I tend to think of QoS as only one part of the reason for doing
direct VCs. 

This leads, to my thinking, to a document (the APR document under
discussion) whcih discusses when one wants direct VCs.  The important
observations (I think) are:
1) That the desire for direct VCs is not coupled to whether the source
    and destination are in the same "address aggregate".  In particular, 
    it is independent of whether they are in the same lowest level
    "address aggregate" (traditionally known as "subnet").
2) That the communicating host, informated by the policy of the system
    and the QoS requested by the user/application is in the best position
    to decide when to establish direct VCs.

There are a number of implications here.  Among them are a chnage in the
meaning of the notion of "subnet" towards a notion oriented towards address
management rather than communications management.
Another aspect is that some lower level system in the host will need
information about the user/applications desires and expectations for
communications.  Initial implementations may get this from some combination
of port numbers, RSVP, and magic.  Later? ...

I think getting these points documented is very useful for us.
And they are certainly not duplicative with current RSVP or Int-Serv work.

Yours,
Joel M. Halpern				jhalpern@newbridge.com
Newbridge Networks Inc.