Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Wed, 28 November 2018 16:25 UTC

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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 17:25:15 +0100
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: IJsbrand Wijnands <ice@cisco.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>, Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl>, "roll-bier-dt@ietf.org" <roll-bier-dt@ietf.org>, "consultancy@vanderstok.org" <consultancy@vanderstok.org>, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January
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Ice

Excellent question. I think the answer right now is no, but maybe here
is how we could proceed:

a) Lets first determine what the next step is in the documents for
   roll-bier that we want to achieve by IETF104.

   Ines was suggesting that we should consider a high-level overview
   draft, for example reformatting into draft form what we had worked
   out in slides and the etherpad in the design team. Primarily goal
   would be to set the stage for the set of required followup documents
   specifying the solution.

   I could take a stab at that, but maybe good parts of this should come
   fro pascals document, e.g.: splitting up the informational parts from
   the normative parts and extending on the informational ones .. ?

   And then fesible next steps for the drafts specifying the solution.
   Right now the primary documents existing are the one from pascal
   and carsten, so i would like their input for how they could see 
   those documents evolve until 104.

   Please chime in if this is the right goal, and if so, what it should
   entail.

b) Any form of meetings - webex or in-person until IETF104 to achieve a)
   would be fine. If the authors of the docs in a) for example think
   they can get the work done better meeting in person, then let's do
   that. From the doodle we also know who has time when.

c) Ines was suggesting to consider taking the friday @IETF104 to
   continue this work in case the friday will be handled again as it was
   @IETF103 - but we both did not know if that is the plan. Does anyone
   know ?

Cheers
    Toerless

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 09:14:43AM +0100, IJsbrand Wijnands wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Is there already an agenda of topics and/or goals set for the interim? 
> 
> Thx,
> 
> Ice. 
> 
> > On 14 Nov 2018, at 01:49, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; wrote:
> > 
> > I created a doodle, 
> > 
> > please indicate any day you could be there: https://doodle.com/poll/a4qc62fvyw82sk4u 
> > I can have a room with roughly 15 people, maybe a few more. But I need to get the date early to reserve the room while it is available.
> > Then we'll decide how many days ina row we need, and whether we wish to be contiguous to a week end so you guys can enjoy the sea of the ski.
> > Take care,
> > 
> > Pascal
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Roll-bier-dt <roll-bier-dt-bounces@ietf.org>; On Behalf Of Toerless
> >> Eckert
> >> Sent: mardi 13 novembre 2018 16:30
> >> To: Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>;
> >> Cc: Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl>;; roll-bier-dt@ietf.org;
> >> consultancy@vanderstok.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Roll-bier-dt] Fwd: Bier interim in January
> >> 
> >> I think we shuold be fine to organize it as a meeting of the BIER DT indicating
> >> that WG members not interested in this set of work items should not have to
> >> be present.
> >> 
> >> We should still announce it to the WG and make sure attendence is open, we
> >> set up the IETF ROLL webex during the interim to enable remote access and
> >> share slides on it during the meeting. Also the rooms handsfree we have work
> >> quite well for remote participants.
> >> 
> >> I only attended on in-person interim, which was a BIER interim in hmm... end
> >> of 2016 in San Jose, and it was a WG interrim, but i think all the technical
> >> aspects where as described above.
> >> 
> >> Aka: no big different except the official scope and maybe any other official WG
> >> interim procedural aspects alvaro would remind us of as necessary.
> >> 
> >> Cheers
> >>    Toerless
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 04:14:16AM -0500, Alvaro Retana wrote:
> >>> On November 13, 2018 at 4:50:42 PM, Peter van der Stok
> >>> (stokcons@bbhmail.nl)
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> HI Alvaro,
> >>>> 
> >>>> It is originally a DT meeting.
> >>>> 
> >>> Ok, that???s what I thought.
> >>> 
> >>>> What is the subtle difference between interim and dt meeting, both
> >>>> in the context of IETF ROLL/ BIER
> >>>> 
> >>> The difference is simply who is expected to be there and whether it
> >>> needs to be advertised beyond this mailing list or not.
> >>> 
> >>> The DT is free to meet whenever you want ??? just coordinate among
> >>> yourselves and that???s it.
> >>> 
> >>> A WG Interim is just like a meeting at the IETF, where the whole WG is
> >>> expected to know  about the details and participate.  The only
> >>> difference with respect to a meeting at the IETF is that it is
> >>> somewhere else, either virtual (WebEx, Zoom, etc.) or in-person.  This
> >>> one we have to advertise to the whole WG, provide remote access, etc..
> >>> 
> >>> Alvaro.
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Peter
> >>>> 
> >>>> Alvaro Retana schreef op 2018-11-13 07:36:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Process/terminology question:  we're talking about a DT meeting, not
> >>>> a WG Interim (maybe focused on roll-bier), right?
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'm ok with either.
> >>>> 
> >>>> If we're talking about a physical WG interim, then there are time
> >>>> frames we need to keep an eye on.  Specifically, we need to make a
> >>>> formal announcement at least 4 weeks in advance.
> >>>> 
> >>>> On November 8, 2018 at 3:14:34 PM, Peter van der Stok
> >>>> (stokcons@bbhmail.nl)
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> This is to remind you that an interim was proposed in Nice (with
> >>>>> support from Pascal) in the month of January.
> >>>>> Please have a look at your agenda to see when this is feasible.
> >>>>> In the limit we might organize a wild weekend (with partners welcome).
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Peter van der Stok
> >>>>> vanderstok consultancy
> >>>>> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
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> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Alvaro.
> >>>> 
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