Re: [Roll] [draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension] Section realignment - feedback request

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Hello Aris, all,

Thanks for asking.
I've just reviewed version –06 of the draft, before reading the details of the email below.
It turns out that I was not shocked by the current ordering of sections. Probably because I'm already familiar with the topic.
However, at minimum, a forward reference to Sections 3.1-3.3 would be highly useful to newcomers to the draft. Probably right after "There are multiple alternative methods of selecting the AP node."
Reading the details of the email below and thinking about it, I believe that bringing sections 3.1-3.4 forward in the document, before Section 3 "Common Ancestor Objective Function", as Rahul suggests, would make even more sense.
Just be careful to call the CA-Strict, CA-Medium and CA-Relaxed things "methods" or "algorithm", not OF. Leave the "OF" term to the actual definition (as updates to MRHOF), and refer to the "algorithms" in the OF definition.
This is my personal opinion as a member of the WG.
More comments on the draft to come in a separate email.
Best regards,

Dominique

De : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@ariskou.com<mailto:aris@ariskou.com>>
Date : Monday 10 February 2020 15:56
À : "mariainesrobles@googlemail.com<mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>" <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com<mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>>, Dominique Barthel <dominique.barthel@orange.com<mailto:dominique.barthel@orange.com>>, Pascal Thubert <pthubert@cisco.com<mailto:pthubert@cisco.com>>, "roll@ietf.org<mailto:roll@ietf.org>" <roll@ietf.org<mailto:roll@ietf.org>>
Cc : "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr<mailto:georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>>
Objet : [draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension] Section realignment - feedback request

Dear Ines, Dominique, Pascal, and all,

After discussing and amending the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension draft with feedback from Rahul, a few points still remain which we would like some additional feedback on.

I copy the relevant discussion below:

[RJ] Section realignment
It is better to explain CA Strict/Medium/Relax policies before explaining the
CAOF because as a reader one needs to be familiar with these policies before
understanding the OF.


[AK] Thank you for this comment. We had a similar concern as well.
We are not sure what is best.
As the text is current structured, we introduce the CAOF first, mentioning that different policies are possible and that a selection from the parent set must be made.
We then describe the CAOF in terms of differences from/additions to MRHOF.
And finally we describe the policies.
To my mind, the policies are concrete, but they are also just examples, so someone can devise different ones.
In that sense the CAOF is more "fixed" and the policies are more flexible. Thus it makes sense to describe the CAOF first.

We are very open to changing the order, but we would like to have some additional feedback that the order is problematic as it stands now.
We would like to hear any suggestions from the group on this topic.


[RJ] Ok, lets wait for feedback. I, for one, would like to see
policies explained first and then an OF using them. I find this the
only logical way.


[RJ] Rahul Jadhav
[AR] Aris Koutsiamanis


Thank you very much in advance.

Best,
Aris



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