Re: [Roll] [roll] #132: draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-04 - Clarify scope value of 3 - subnet-local

Don Sturek <d.sturek@att.net> Tue, 15 October 2013 16:35 UTC

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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 09:33:59 -0700
From: Don Sturek <d.sturek@att.net>
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Subject: Re: [Roll] [roll] #132: draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-04 - Clarify scope value of 3 - subnet-local
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Hi Michael,

We should leave in scope 4 for use in administratively scoped domains.
This would allow applications to define specific multicast addresses using
scope 4 without having to go through the trouble to "un-reserve"
adminstrative scope.

Also, I am in favor of Ralph's proposal on using PAN ID for MPL scope 3.
I don't see how any automatic configuration could take place if we can't
identify a concrete identifier for the scope.  The other alternative (and
to be honest the one I thought we were going to use) is DODAG ID.   This
would allow your scenario where a subnet of different link technologies
could support MPL domain 3.

Don


On 10/15/13 8:59 AM, "Michael Richardson" <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

>
>
>Don Sturek <d.sturek@att.net> wrote:
>    > At some point, I think it would be interesting to see multicast
>    > forwarding rules in a mesh network where flooding is not used.  I
>would
>    > see that case as the example of where scope 4 would be used.
>
>okay, so when we write a new protocol, we can specify this.
>Why have the code there to support scope-4 when there is no other
>behaviour?
>
>    > I know that a lot of work is needed in defining the rules for
>    > forwarding when flooding is not used but in a large mesh network,
>there
>    > would be a lot of benefit to such a feature.
>
>Do you agree with me about PANID vs Subnet or not?
>
>--
>Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>
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