Re: [Roll] WG Adoption for turnon-8138 at IETF 106

Abdussalam Baryun <> Tue, 17 December 2019 13:56 UTC

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On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 3:15 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <> wrote:

> This was debated at length during the IETF meeting, which is available on
> youtube.
I did not attend but the WG mailing list is important to discuss these

> * I also posted a discussion on this ML. *

We need to work together to make progress, I don't mind discussing but I
hope authors help in progress. once I asked an author in another
organisation and I asked him why you used this type of technology and his
answer was why no. So it is difficult to discuss while requests are replied
by requests, furthermore, no need for two/three proposals only if we work
as individuals.

> * We ended up with a time bomb on the bits, they’ll be defines only for
> RPL v1 (MOP<7).*

This should be discussed on the WG list more, and not quickly (why the
hurry we still have time to be perfect, doing it quickly mostly means
mistakes) I did not see this, but will follow up.


> *Pascal   From: Roll < <>> On
Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun Sent: mardi 17 décembre 2019 11:35 To: Routing
Over Low power and Lossy networks < <>> Subject:
Re: [Roll] WG Adoption for turnon-8138 at IETF 106       On Wed, Dec 11,
2019 at 7:34 PM <
<>> wrote: Dear all,   The call for WG adoption
of draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138 has been open since Nov 19th. Based on
the reaction at the WG meeting in Singapore (IETF106) and on the mailing
list after that, the WG chairs declare consensus on the matter. Therefore,
Pascal, can you please republish the draft as a WG document?   For the
record: - There were positive opinions, including from people who actively
contribute to the writing of drafts at ROLL and related WGs, and who
contribute to developing or evaluating their implementations.- There was
one opposition, arguing that RFC8138 turn on should be done another way.  -
There is no substantiated technical proposal on the table other than
draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138. Adding to the WG record, that that draft
is using a reserved bits for configuring the RPL DAG, and it is using it
for configuring the data compression. The argument on the WG list with
authors was WHY that use of reserved (important question), IMO they did not
answer that but asked for another proposal. Usually IMHO if we get a
proposal we discuss that one proposal and find ways to modify and answer
question of why it was designed that way, because we are working as an
ietf group not as individuals.    AB       De : Roll <
<>> on behalf of Ines Robles
<>> Répondre à :
" <>" < <>> Date :
Tuesday 19 November 2019 02:24 À : " <>"
< <>> Objet : [Roll] WG Adoption for turnon-8138
at IETF 106   Dear all,   Today at ROLL Meeting we will discuss the
adoption of turnon-8138. It would be nice if you could state your opinion
on-site or remotely. The adoption call will be confirmed by ML also,
Thanks,   Ines, Dominique and Peter.
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