Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-03
Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 04 August 2014 19:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-03
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On Aug 4, 2014, at 2:52 PM 8/4/14, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Ralph: > > This is exactly section 3. > > The section provides a scope of applicability (the RPL domain) and the changes from RFC 6437 that become acceptable within that scope. I disagree. Section 3 explains how draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl can be interpreted as following RFC 6437 rather than describing the specific ways in which it updates RFC 6437. For example, as Philip wrote: > "but the RFC also indicates a violation to the rule can be accepted for compelling reasons, and that security is a case justifying such a violation. This specification suggests that energy-saving is another compelling reason for a violation to the aforementioned rule." > > This is *not* what 6437 says. It says for compelling operational security reasons, not compelling reasons, of which one case is security. - Ralph > > Cheers, > > Pascal > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ralph Droms [mailto:rdroms.ietf@gmail.com] >> Sent: lundi 4 août 2014 20:11 >> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks; Michael Richardson; >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-03 >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2014, at 2:01 PM 8/4/14, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: >> >>> The change is now done, Ralph. >>> >>> The only difference between draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-03 >>> and draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-04 is >>> >>> Updates: 6437 (if approved) >> >> I suggest adding a section to your doc that explains exactly what is being >> updated in RFC 6437. >> >> - Ralph >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Pascal >>> >>> From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Droms >>> Sent: samedi 2 août 2014 22:57 >>> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >>> Cc: Michael Richardson; ipv6@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for-rpl-03 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 2, 2014, at 4:48 PM, "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" >> <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: >>> That sounds right, Michael, >>> >>> I agree that "updates 6437" is a right thing to do. >>> >>> though slightly on the overkill side. >>> >>> I disagree that it is overkill. In my opinion, draft-thubert-6man-flow-label- >> for-RPL pretty clearly contradicts RFC 6437, so "updates 6437" is an >> appropriate action. >>> >>> And this is consistent with what Brian suggested. This can be added during >> the rfc editor process I expect? >>> >>> It should be added as soon as possible, certainly before it goes to the IESG. >> In my opinion, the change might warrant a new or extended WGLC; that >> action is up to the chairs, of course. >>> >>> - Ralph >>> >>> >>> Pascal >>> >>> Le 2 août 2014 à 21:09, "Michael Richardson" <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> a >> écrit : >>> >>> >>> Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: >>> OTOH you need to understand that there is no need for a bis to update >>> a MUST in an RFC. We recognize the imperfection in our work and are >>> always ready to revise and amend after due consideration. >>> >>> Perhaps this document UPDATES 6437 then? >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>ca>, Sandelman Software >> Works >>> -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >>> ipv6@ietf.org >>> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Roll mailing list >>> Roll@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >
- [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label-for… Ines Robles
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Xavier Vilajosana
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ralph Droms
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Thomas Watteyne
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ole Troan
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ralph Droms
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ralph Droms
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Anand SVR
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ralph Droms
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ole Troan
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ines Robles
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ines Robles
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Ralph Droms
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Carsten Bormann
- [Roll] RPL Information Header for 6lo (Re: [6lo] … Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Philip Levis
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ray Hunter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ray Hunter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] RPL Information Header for 6lo (Re: [6… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ray Hunter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Ray Hunter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow-label… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Ines Robles
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Richard Kelsey
- Re: [Roll] [6lo] WGLC for draft-thubert-6man-flow… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)