Re: [Roll] home-building-requirements section 7.1

Michael Richardson <> Mon, 08 December 2014 18:47 UTC

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You ask:     > What are enrollment tools?

By this, I mean that the combination of protocols and/or provisioning
equipment that allows an installer to make a lightbulb join a particular

That's why I want to know, if you are going the EAP-PANA route, that one
needs to know what EAP methods ought to be supported.

peter van der Stok <> wrote:
    > thanks for the encouragement.
    > Concerning bootstrap and security in general. Many things are going on and
    > there are two approaches to this document:
    > 1) a conservative one; restrict to what exists and is is proven to work
    > 2) leaving the doubt that exists today.

    > For the moment I like to leave the doubt, because in 5 years, what is sure
    > today will not be implemented is my conviction

    > Concerning switching on/off:
    > That is SDO stuff; KNX , BACnet , etc... are preparing additional standards.

    > What are enrollment tools?

    > Peter

    > Michael Richardson schreef op 2014-11-23 22:16:
    >> I am very pleased with the document; I hope the WG is reading it, and is
    >> also happy with it.
    >> In secton 7.1 you mention use of PANA to secure new nodes.
    >> The reference seems very hesistant, and the DTLS relay is just kind of
    >> thrown in.   Can you make this recommendation more concrete? Or remove it.
    >> If it's PANA, I assume EAP is involved, and so what what EAP methods should
    >> be used?
    >> I think that, having read this document, I ought to be able to create a
    >> light-bulb or light switch --- I think that I can make it function in the
    >> network, but I don't think it will use the same enrollment tools at all,
    >> and
    >> I'd sure like to change that.  I don't mind being really really specific
    >> here: I encourage it.
    >> I also don't know what protocol to use for turning lights on/off, but I
    >> acknowledge that is out of scope for the ROLL WG to specify.  Perhaps there
    >> is an informative reference I missed.
    >> I think that unless you have a specific way to use the DTLS relay, you
    >> should
    >> remove the reference -- it doesn't help anyone trying to implement an
    >> interoperable device.

Michael Richardson <>, Sandelman Software Works
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