Re: [Roll] Querying PDAO

"Li Zhao (liz3)" <liz3@cisco.com> Thu, 25 July 2019 13:02 UTC

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From: "Li Zhao (liz3)" <liz3@cisco.com>
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
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Correct. If the application on node X wants to ask a nearest path to node Y, PDAO draft doesn't provide any mechanism.
I think PDAO draft need to cover this case. Maybe how and when to use PDAO is out of scope of this draft.
But at least we need to reserve the asking capability and define the protocol.


Best regards,
Li
 


On 2019/7/25, 8:22 AM, "Roll on behalf of Michael Richardson" <roll-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

    
    Li Zhao (liz3) <liz3@cisco.com> wrote:
        > Following up on querying PDAO from root at the meeting today:
    
        > It makes sense to provide a querying mechanism for node which can get PDAO
        > from root. Then node can query special PDAO route entry according to its
        > special requirement. For example, route hop, latency, route algorithm,
        > remaining lifetime.
    
    So, if I understand, you are asking that a given node X, having traffic to
    node Y, should be able to ask the root to project a DAO towards Y?
    
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