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Dear all

The slides for the P-DAO discussion at IETF 109 are available here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-109-roll-dao-projection/

There are a number of open questions that we starting discussing, and would=
 need to progress on the list.
Some of them were expressed on the list, e.g., from Huimin She. I'd like to=
 progress on them all with individual threads.
The questions are:


  1.  Lifetime Unit: could we use a different unit for P-DAO?
  2.  How to differentiate a P-DAO from a normal DAO in a local instance; n=
ew flag?
  3.  Make P-DAO bidirectional?
  4.  Who sends the PDR? Does it have to be the ingress? If it was egress i=
t could propose a TrackId from its namespace. Else could the ingress be the=
 root?
  5.  Maintaining the sibling state. Should we have text on using RFC 8505 =
there?
  6.  Whether ingress and egress are listed in NPO? Today they are both, in=
gress to indicate the packet source in case of encapsulation and for SRH-6L=
oRH compression reference and egress to build the full SRH-6LoRH. Note that=
 the ingress must consume the first entry and use it as source.
  7.  Track in Track vs. SR Header reload models, see slides

Let me open threads to follow up.

Keep safe

Pascal



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t-size:11.0pt">The slides for the P-DAO discussion at IETF 109 are availabl=
e here:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-109-roll-=
dao-projection/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-109-roll-dao-proje=
ction/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">There are a number of open questions that we starting discus=
sing, and would need to progress on the list.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">Some of them were expressed on the list, e.g., from Huimin S=
he. I&#8217;d like to progress on them all with individual threads.<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">The questions are:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Li=
fetime Unit: could we use a different unit for P-DAO?<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0=
 level1 lfo1"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt">How to differentiate a P-DAO from a normal DAO in a local instance; n=
ew flag?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=
=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calib=
ri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Make P-DAO bidirectional?<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;ms=
o-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">Who sends the PDR? Does it have to be the ingress? If it was=
 egress it could propose a TrackId from its namespace. Else
 could the ingress be the root?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li><li class=3D"M=
soListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><font si=
ze=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Maintaining the =
sibling state. Should we have text on using RFC 8505 there?<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></font></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0cm;mso-l=
ist:l0 level1 lfo1"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt">Whether ingress and egress are listed in NPO? Today they are bo=
th, ingress to indicate the packet source in case of encapsulation
 and for SRH-6LoRH compression reference and egress to build the full SRH-6=
LoRH. Note that the ingress must consume the first entry and use it as sour=
ce.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"ma=
rgin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">Track in Track vs. SR Header reload models, =
see slides<o:p></o:p></span></font></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">Let me open threads to follow up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">Keep safe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt">Pascal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>
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