Re: [Roll] [roll] #105: trickle-mcast: how to determine scope of MPL domain

"Jonathan Hui (johui)" <johui@cisco.com> Thu, 01 November 2012 18:54 UTC

Return-Path: <johui@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155BF21F8D12 for <roll@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -10.369
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.231, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MbztLL1bskNG for <roll@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D5721F8D10 for <roll@ietf.org>; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1037; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1351796089; x=1353005689; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=IBjG2lX2G8tcE+1cOEoBLSSt+6EzeEATH22A+rz2UV0=; b=l79kHAxoAuA3dvayG1Xry+dI6k/jc+F/hyzH2ankcXabEwJplHk/GnaU 9TIckhBI4y8vdUVcpR+d88zu6LFgcKmad/ffwpPMOL10tutp4sJBbtK12 iOW+YeV3+4Ndmjxtskcxfa3DguHHqmTFXyio8ysCmm6nWb00kiCt5CWm/ s=;
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAKDEklCtJXHB/2dsb2JhbABEw3SBCIIeAQEBAwESASc/BQsCAQgiCwkQMiUCBA4FCBqHXgacVaAsi3uDC4JPYQOkUIFrgm+CGQ
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,695,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="137862640"
Received: from rcdn-core2-6.cisco.com ([173.37.113.193]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2012 18:54:48 +0000
Received: from xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com [173.36.12.87]) by rcdn-core2-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qA1Ismj1011015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:54:48 GMT
Received: from xmb-rcd-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.8.200]) by xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com ([173.36.12.87]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:54:48 -0500
From: "Jonathan Hui (johui)" <johui@cisco.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Thread-Topic: [roll] #105: trickle-mcast: how to determine scope of MPL domain
Thread-Index: AQHNuEl+VKkUNGCnjEqLpghV1euTUw==
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 18:54:47 +0000
Message-ID: <B50D0F163D52B74DA572DD345D5044AF0F6F0B65@xmb-rcd-x04.cisco.com>
References: <058.e817419e990e1afb26be9aa25d5cfc21@trac.tools.ietf.org> <B50D0F163D52B74DA572DD345D5044AF0F6EFA99@xmb-rcd-x04.cisco.com> <767.1351789816@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
In-Reply-To: <767.1351789816@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [128.107.155.10]
x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19328.001
x-tm-as-result: No--27.391000-8.000000-31
x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No
x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-ID: <D04185EE268AEC4AA9F59E9E16E75EA1@cisco.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
Cc: "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast@tools.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Roll] [roll] #105: trickle-mcast: how to determine scope of MPL domain
X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/roll>, <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll>
List-Post: <mailto:roll@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll>, <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 18:54:50 -0000

On Nov 1, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

> Is there a reason to encapsulate other than the Path MTU discovery issue?
> I think it has to do with getting the packet to the seed, but I'm
> unclear on this.

The other reason to encapsulate is for clean removal of the MPL Option.  Removing the MPL Option would be fairly straightforward if that were the only IPv6 Option contained in an IPv6 Hop-by-Hop Option header.  But things get a bit hairy when other IPv6 Options exist.

> Am I understranding correctly: if the packet originates in the LLN from
> an MPL aware node, then encapsulation is not necessary: the originator
> knows about the Hop-by-Hop option, and takes that into account for Path
> MTU calculations.
> 
> Is this Peter's concern?


Peter's primary concern is to eliminate any header overhead caused by encapsulation.  But you are correct that a MPL-aware node can take the MPL Option into account in Path MTU calculations.

--
Jonathan Hui