Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-applicability-home-building-12: (with COMMENT)
Robert Cragie <robert.cragie@gridmerge.com> Tue, 28 July 2015 13:50 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-applicability-home-building-12: (with COMMENT)
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Ines - sounds good to me. Robert On 28 July 2015 at 13:00, Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > First two comments from ballotage [4] from v11: > > - 4.1.8: "MUST be present" is ambiguous - do you mean > it must be used? I think you do. > > Addressed: changed to " security MUST be used on all nodes" > > - 4.1.8: "MUST be distributed or established in a > secure fashion" isn't really a protocol requirement. > Do you really just mean "see 4.1.8.1" ? > > > In [1] states "Yes. It was meant more as an introductory statement but is > redundant really". > > For this sentence more clarification was added in 12: > > "A symmetric key is used to secure a RPL message using either RPL > message security or link-layer security. The symmetric key MUST be > distributed or established in a secure fashion. There may be more > than one symmetric key in use by any node at any one time. The same > symmetric key MUST NOT be used for both RPL message security and > link-layer security between two peer nodes." > > In [2] is suggested to remove the sentence, so it could be done by the RFC > Editor. Do you agree with that? > > > The other comments (v10) from ballotage are addressed as states in [3] > > [1] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/current/msg09368.html > [2] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/current/msg09388.html > [3] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/current/msg09376.html > [4] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-applicability-home-building/ballot/ > > I believe that the document is ready to go forward. > > Thank you very much for your hard work on this, > > Ines > > 2015-07-28 12:58 GMT+03:00 Robert Cragie <robert.cragie@gridmerge.com>: > >> Hi Stephen, >> >> Understood - thanks for the clarification. As mentioned, we did go >> through the comments and respond and make changes so will be happy to show >> these to the chairs/AD if required. >> >> Robert >> >> On 28 July 2015 at 10:50, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> On 28/07/15 09:18, Robert Cragie wrote: >>> > Hi Stephen, >>> > >>> > Please see inline for specific responses. >>> > >>> > Regarding the old comments: We have tried to respond to these issues in >>> > previous follow up e-mails and modify the document in accordance with >>> the >>> > responses. Repeating these old comments suggests that neither those >>> > responses nor the updated text have been read yet. Please can you read >>> the >>> > responses and updated text before simply repeating these comments? >>> > Otherwise I can't see how we can make any progress on this. >>> >>> Sorry, we're talking past one another. The old comments are present in >>> the tracker and get attached to the email unless I go through them and >>> delete them manually. And since they are not blocking I don't spend >>> much time tracking if they have/haven't been addressed. And mostly I >>> forget once sufficient time has elapsed;-) In other words, it's up to >>> you and your AD if you want to consider them or not, I don't mind. >>> >>> So you can make progress on this in various ways. One is to just ignore >>> the comments. Another is to say "yeah, we know it's not blocking but >>> we'd actually like to chat about <this> comment." Your chairs/AD may >>> have more ideas. >>> >>> But the main thing is that a "No Objection" ballot is just that, I >>> don't object to this moving ahead. >>> >>> So I'd say if there are any of the comments where you think it is >>> interesting to continue to chat, please just mail me about that but >>> there is no need to address each one in blow-by-blow fashion. If >>> you and your AD think there's no need for more chat, then we're done >>> already. >>> >>> Hope that helps, >>> S. >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Robert >>> > >>> > >>> > On 25 July 2015 at 15:08, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for >>> >> draft-ietf-roll-applicability-home-building-12: No Objection >>> >> >>> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>> >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut >>> this >>> >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Please refer to >>> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> >> >>> >> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-applicability-home-building/ >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> COMMENT: >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Thanks for the discussion about security. I didn't check >>> >> if the comments below were handled in -12, happy to >>> >> chat about that if you want. >>> >> >>> >> First two comments are about text that's new in -11: >>> >> >>> >> - 4.1.8: "MUST be present" is ambiguous - do you mean >>> >> it must be used? I think you do. >>> >> >>> > >>> > <RCC>This has been changed to "MUST be used on all nodes" in -12</RCC> >>> > >>> > >>> >> >>> >> - 4.1.8: "MUST be distributed or established in a >>> >> secure fashion" isn't really a protocol requirement. >>> >> Do you really just mean "see 4.1.8.1" ? >>> >> >>> > >>> > <RCC>As mentioned before, this is just introductory. I suggest >>> removing the >>> > sentence to close the comment.</RCC> >>> > >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >> >> >
- [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ie… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draf… peter van der Stok
- Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draf… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draf… peter van der Stok
- Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draf… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draf… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draf… Ines Robles
- Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draf… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Roll] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draf… Robert Cragie