Re: [Roll] Consensus Call on abandoning draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 03 March 2014 10:22 UTC

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Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> wrote:
    > I don't agree to make quick decisions or consensus. Why is this draft
    > not useful to industry? if we know what was the industry respond, then
    > we will be able to decide. we should not confuse purposes of this WG
    > with another WG, may be the some industry companies we speak to are
    > still confused with new technologies. Please help,

1) The purpose of this call is to get that feedback. If you have some
   information that the WG does not yet know,  or can share this request with
   someone from that industry who can respond, please do so.

2) We asked the question several weeks ago, but it was not in the form of a
   consensus call.
   This discussion first started in August 2013.  This has not been a quick
   decision.

3) Should an interested party show up that wants has a way to use RPL in
   industrial settings *without* 6tisch (or not using 15.4e), then we can
   re-introduce a document, and it would be authored by someone who is
   actually involved.

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
IETF ROLL WG co-chair.    http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/