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From: Thomas Heide Clausen <ietf@thomasclausen.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:14:15 +0100
To: Philip Levis <pal@cs.stanford.edu>
Cc: =?utf-8?B?6rOg7KCV6ri4?= <jeonggil.ko@etri.re.kr>,
 "roll@ietf.org WG" <roll@ietf.org>, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Draft Agenda
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I find myself in perfect agreement with Phil here.

Note that I neither agree nor disagree with either if the two I-Ds, but I do=
 think that Phil is right: it's incorrect to say that draft-ko-roll-mix-netw=
ork-pathology is not to be discussed for the reason of "no traction on the m=
ailing list".

Best,

Thomas

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http://www.thomasclausen.org

"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for=20
  experiments, and they wander off through equation=20
  after equation, and eventually  build a structure=20
  which has no relation to reality."
 - Nikola Tesla,=20
    Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934

On 30 oct. 2012, at 16:19, Philip Levis <pal@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:

> I'm a little worried that the one draft which is based on a real, document=
ed problem encountered in a deployment is considered to have "no traction on=
 the mailing list", despite several discussions, while "Industrial Determini=
stic Routing Extension for Low-Power and Lossy Networks," which I have never=
 seen mentioned on the mailing list (can someone point out that I'm wrong) d=
oes have a slot. This doesn't mean that the other draft shouldn't have a slo=
t; I just don't understand the process by which slots are being decided.
>=20
> Phil
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> On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:44 PM, JP Vasseur (jvasseur) wrote:
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>> Dear all,
>>=20
>> Many Thanks for your email - we did discuss about it but there pretty muc=
h no traction on the mailing list on this item.
>> Please continue to use the mailing at will. This is why the item is not p=
art of the agenda indeed.
>>=20
>> Many Thanks.
>>=20
>> JP and Michael.
>>=20
>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:14 AM, JeongGil Ko wrote:
>>=20
>>> Dear WG Chairs,
>>>=20
>>> For some reason... this email seems to be ignored=E2=80=A6 any responses=
?=20
>>>=20
>>> -John
>>>=20
>>> ------
>>> JeongGil Ko, Ph.D.
>>> Researcher
>>> Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI)
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/jeonggilko/
>>>=20
>>> On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:39 PM, =EC=A0=95=EC=A2=85=EC=88=98 <jsjeong@etri.r=
e.kr> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> JP,
>>>>=20
>>>> John has requested a slot. But we've not been replied anything. Is the a=
genda already fixed?
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards,
>>>> -Jongsoo
>>>>=20
>>>> 2012. 10. 25., =EC=98=A4=EC=A0=84 6:41, JeongGil Ko <jeonggil.ko@etri.r=
e.kr> =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1:
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> JP,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I've also put in a request for a slot at the meeting in Atlanta for pr=
esenting "draft-ko-roll-mix-network-pathology" but I do not see this on the a=
genda. This draft discusses about a critical and practical performance issue=
 of RPL networks (both collection and downwards) when they are intentionally=
 or accidentally deployed with devices of different MOPs. I believe that suc=
h an issue is important to discuss as a group.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -John
>>>>>=20
>>>>> ------
>>>>> JeongGil Ko, Ph.D.
>>>>> Researcher
>>>>> Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI)
>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/jeonggilko/
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:06 AM, JP Vasseur (jvasseur) wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> please find bellow the draft agenda for ROLL's WG meeting in Atlanta -=
 let us know if you have any comment:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 1) Agenda/admin (Chairs - 5mn) [5]
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 2) WG Status (Chairs - 10 mn) [15]
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 3) Security Framework and Applicability Statement template
>>>>>> (Michael - 10m) [25]
>>>>>> draft=3Ddraft-richardson-roll-applicability-template-00
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 4) RPL applicability in industrial networks
>>>>>> draft-phinney-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-01
>>>>>> (Pascal - 10mn) [35]
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 5) Industrial Deterministic Routing Extension for Low-Power
>>>>>> and Lossy Networks (M. Wei - 10mn) [45]
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 6) RPL deployment experience in large scale networks
>>>>>> draft-hui-vasseur-roll-rpl-deployment (TBD - 5mn) [50]
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 7) RPL applicability in industrial networks
>>>>>> draft-phinney-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability-01
>>>>>> (Pascal - 10mn) [60]
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 8) Loop Free DODAG Local Repair (Jianlin Guo - 10mn) [70]
>>>>>> draft-guo-roll-loop-free-dodag-repair
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> JP and Michael.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Roll mailing list
>>>>>> Roll@ietf.org
>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll
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>>>>> _______________________________________________
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