Re: [Roll] [roll] #132: draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-04 - Clarify scope value of 3 - subnet-local
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#132: draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-04 - Clarify scope value of 3 - subnet-local Comment (by mariainesrobles@gmail.com): '''CONSENSUS CALL''' -- resolution for #132: draft-ietf-roll-trickle- mcast-04 - Clarify scope value of 3 - subnet-local Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/current/msg08303.html From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf at sandelman.ca> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 16:44:42 -0400 I would like to ask the WG to speak now if you object to this solution, specifically with the the text going into mcast-05. Please EMAIL/POST/COMMUNICATE before 2013-11-08 (next Friday). Ralph wrote: > This text could be added to draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-05, or to > draft-ietf-6man-multicast-scopes-00 or published separately in yet > another "world's shortest RFC". > > Second, draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-05 should be changed to read: > > When used with MPL, Realm-local scope is defined according to the > underlying network technology; for example, [cite the > IP-over-IEEE802.15.4 definition]. > > As a further refinement, I suggest text be added to > draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-05 to the effect of: > > "scop 4" can also be used with MPL to cover deployments that use > administratively defined scopes that cover, for example, subnets > based on different underlying network technologies. > > - Ralph -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF at sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works <kerryLynn> Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail- archive/web/roll/current/msg08304.html Here's a summary the situation: - draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast ("MPL draft") defines a multicast transport protocol. It refers to scop 3 which has up to now been reserved. - draft-ietf-6man-multicast-scopes ("Scopes draft") defines scop 3 and states it must be automatically determined by data link connectivitiy. It recommends the proper place to define how the scope zone boundary is determined is in the "IP-over-Foo" draft for each data link that defines scop 3. - The MPL draft *must* reference the Scopes draft in order to utilize scop 3. It must also agree with the Scopes draft on the issue of whether the scop 3 boundary is automatically determined. This is included in issue #132 and REMAINS OPEN. - Another open question is where to locate the definition of scop 3 for 802.15.4 networks? Going by the recommendation in the Scopes draft, one solution for the latter is to issue a short update to RFC 4944. However, this is not the most expedient solution from the standpoint of finishing the MPL draft. The next best solution in my opinion is to place the 802.15.4 definition of scop 3 into the Scopes draft. Future data links that define scop 3 in their IP-over-Foo RFCs will then only need to reference the Scopes document for the precedent and not the MPL document as well. Since the MPL draft must already reference the Scopes draft anyway, this also solves one open issue for MPL. I personally think it's a bad idea to bury the definition of an automatically determined scope boundary for a particular data link within a transport protocol specification. Regards, -K- </kerryLynn> <yoshihiroOhba> Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail- archive/web/roll/current/msg08306.html I prefer describing 802.15.4-specific realm-local scope boundary definition in another RFC so that both trickle-mcast and multicast-scopes drafts are fully independent of any link-layer. Regards, Yoshihiro Ohba </yoshihioOhba> <michaelRichardson> Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail- archive/web/roll/current/msg08308.html Are you willing to write this document? </michaelRichardson> <yoshihiroOhba> Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail- archive/web/roll/current/msg08311.html If we choose to write another RFC, yes I can contribute to it. Regards, Yoshihiro Ohba </yoshihiroOhba> <kerryLynn> Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail- archive/web/roll/current/msg08309.html Let's scope the effort this week. Ralph predicts it will be the World's shortest RFC; maybe we can get it right the first time. -K- </kerryLynn> <ralphDroms> Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail- archive/web/roll/current/msg08310.html In my opinion, the roll WG gets to answer the question "should realm- specific scope for 802.15.4 be defined in draft-ietf-roll-trickle- mcast?" If the consensus is no (which would be my answer), then, in my opinion, it's up to 6nan to decide between putting the definition in the multicast scopes doc or a separate RFC. Ralph </ralphDroms> <robertCragie> Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail- archive/web/roll/current/msg08323.html +1 - my answer would also be no. I guess that should be 6man as well. </robertCragie> <danielPopa> Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail- archive/web/roll/current/msg08312.html Hello all, I support the idea of having the definition of multicast scope boundary in another RFC so that trickle-mcast and multicast-scopes drafts specify such IP features independent of the link-layer. And I am willing to contribute and help writing such RFC. I will unfortunately not be able to attend this IETF meeting, but I will be available via email. Regards, Daniel </danielPopa> -- ---------------------------------------+------------------------------ Reporter: mariainesrobles@gmail.com | Owner: johui@cisco.com Type: defect | Status: reopened Priority: major | Milestone: Component: trickle-mcast | Version: Severity: In WG Last Call | Resolution: Keywords: | ---------------------------------------+------------------------------ Ticket URL: <https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/132#comment:14> roll <http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/>
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