Re: [Roll] Eliding mechanism in 6550

"Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com> Tue, 01 October 2019 16:52 UTC

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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
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Typo by autocorrection: Before my phone knew better I meant  DIO... So:
I would not compress the identification of the message otherwise a DIO for another DODAG may be confused.
The DODAGID indicates which DODAG this DIO is about, it should not be elided...

Pascal

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From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
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Subject: Re: [Roll] Eliding mechanism in 6550

I would not compress the identification of the message otherwise a FIO for another DODAG me be confused ...


Regards,

Pascal

> Le 30 sept. 2019 à 00:31, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> a écrit :
> 
> 
> Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
>> During the interim Pascal/Michael suggested the use of counter to 
>> track the freshness of the Config Option. This could further extend 
>> to track MOPex and CAP options freshness.
> 
>> The suggestion was to use the reserved bits in the base DIO message for such a counter.
> 
> Yup.
> 
>> I was wondering if the DODAGID in the DIO could also be elided under 
>> the same guise? Basically the point is to elide all the "static"
>> information which rarely changes.
> 
>> Clearly this has issues in multi-DODAG networks but it is possible to 
>> handle such issues. Considering that this directly results in 16 
>> bytes savings per DIO multicast message, do you think it is worth the 
>> effort or if there are other issues?
> 
> My question is what are the sizes of the DIOs, and how close are we to 
> fragmentation already?
> 
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