Re: [Roll] [roll] #105: trickle-mcast: how to determine scope of MPL domain

"Dijk, Esko" <esko.dijk@philips.com> Mon, 19 November 2012 08:03 UTC

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From: "Dijk, Esko" <esko.dijk@philips.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Thread-Topic: [Roll] [roll] #105: trickle-mcast: how to determine scope of MPL domain
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> Yes, this is my belief as well.
> so I still do not think that we have a clear use case/description of what/how a less-than-subnet MPL domain would be
> defined/used.

A clear use case seems to be Peter's office topology where all nodes are connected as a single LoWPAN with one 6LBR. Each office/room can be configured as an MPL domain. The event information sent by a pushbutton or sensor (to trigger the lights) only needs to be disseminated to all the nodes in the local room; hence defining a separate MPL domain is useful.

Esko

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From: mcr@obiwan.sandelman.ca [mailto:mcr@obiwan.sandelman.ca] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson
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Subject: Re: [Roll] [roll] #105: trickle-mcast: how to determine scope of MPL domain


>>>>> "Dijk" == Dijk, Esko <esko.dijk@philips.com> writes:
    Dijk> a question from your last 2 emails is the following: if
    Dijk> multiple LoWPAN networks are assigned the same 802.15.4
    Dijk> channel (which is likely as Peter explained), would they not
    Dijk> be assigned a different Pan-ID to logically separate them? So
    Dijk> for the drawing that shows the 6 border routers case, there
    Dijk> would be no mutual connectivity between dissemination regions
    Dijk> anyway.

Yes, this is my belief as well.
so I still do not think that we have a clear use case/description of what/how a less-than-subnet MPL domain would be defined/used.

It seems to me that we understand how we would implement such a thing, at least.


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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
IETF ROLL WG co-chair.    http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/


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