Re: [Roll] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-11: (with COMMENT)

Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Wed, 02 September 2020 17:18 UTC

Return-Path: <barryleiba@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B063A084A for <roll@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.401
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SRWYu5sZfTUl for <roll@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io1-f53.google.com (mail-io1-f53.google.com [209.85.166.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A84B93A0846 for <roll@ietf.org>; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io1-f53.google.com with SMTP id j2so6591139ioj.7 for <roll@ietf.org>; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 10:18:15 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HOEb6P9N2r1XHEBQeKQ9F5nIEvEhDVfyTgk9wqVnVRg=; b=TEugqq9EeEy/wJxTiqYFomVYB1LBteu7/IPTsjOa16PA9Rz8dFWxN72dAen1rJ1kzm 0GGd8QwuV3EbnUvcgfNrTrGJWiQ47kz9GP1tRpXUfa9qH7Yyd5bJNZxwtTg4yGHM5q5N atODs8V6Y4cyZEJvC9/lDVKjrM2gfsr6YDrD+SZB5tv9EtslTVVTNqeWZ+L0rcjk+wpA u6FT+cZjExhwtPsWnqvf2gdPwj31hD/U99pWBvzq9ss7EztBCe5p//uZqmFQIol9msc7 GYMwPEahmjbPae8t1vRT5Jddz28XdB8xSy8KOWw1ra3yyCGjrSsXfbxwZaOwT8WbI1PI bp5Q==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532hnjvdR7gyB8uhpmO8hx2FstFUPZ+BdgJcztVH6LlW6FMFKhnw /Cdzgpt3qLGuI8UwgInCtSb4oY5k/ilxTobdDTM=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx87Zde0Kb2Aqwk0Wq5t8JhcLiS3hZenMJeS2LLe/PF1Q5O+Sxs/FhWpkj+29U2cVCZpUmDiyBn3et0XMdh5po=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:13c7:: with SMTP id i7mr4332472jaj.52.1599067094784; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 10:18:14 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <159902561466.27239.11154649696524664213@ietfa.amsl.com> <9695.1599065358@localhost>
In-Reply-To: <9695.1599065358@localhost>
From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 13:18:03 -0400
Message-ID: <CALaySJJQWxco5tMak-5OhZ=iGKjOXQ+M7T2yJALcVD4eY8Kv=w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>, Álvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/v7sPUM_dO_edUat6dFQ3bEF1zJE>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-11: (with COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/roll>, <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/roll/>
List-Post: <mailto:roll@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll>, <mailto:roll-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 17:18:17 -0000

>     > “RPL” should be expanded on first use.
>     > We should probably ask the RFC Editor to mark “DAG” and “DODAG” as “well
>     > known”, but they are not yet so marked, so “DODAG” should be expanded on first
>     > use.
>
> Do we just send them a request?
> I guess we ask them to point at RFC6550.

Their abbreviation list
<https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt> doesn't
include references, and just flags certain abbreviations with an
asterisk, meaning that they don't always expect them to be expanded.
It's clear that in routing documents, everyone knows what DAG and
DODAG are, and insisting that they be expanded doesn't accomplish
much.  Also, not expanding them doesn't eliminate the need for a
reference when it's appropriate; it's the difference between "blah
blah DODAG [RFC6550]" and "blah blah Destination-Oriented Directed
Acyclic Graph (DODAG) [RFC6550]".

I think it should be Álvaro who makes the request, but, yes, it's just
a matter of sending a note to the RFC Editor.

Barry