Re: [Roll] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-13: (with COMMENT)

"Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com> Tue, 08 September 2020 07:40 UTC

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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
To: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Yes!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>
> Sent: mardi 8 septembre 2020 09:36
> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>om>; The IESG
> <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138@ietf.org; roll-chairs@ietf.org; roll@ietf.org;
> Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>om>; aretana.ietf@gmail.com;
> carlesgo@entel.upc.edu
> Subject: Re: Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-13:
> (with COMMENT)
> 
> Pascal, look for EV>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pascal Thubert <pthubert@cisco.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 09:31
> To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>om>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: "draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-roll-turnon-
> rfc8138@ietf.org>gt;, "roll-chairs@ietf.org" <roll-chairs@ietf.org>rg>,
> "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>rg>, Ines Robles
> <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>om>, "aretana.ietf@gmail.com"
> <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>om>, "carlesgo@entel.upc.edu"
> <carlesgo@entel.upc.edu>
> Subject: RE: Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-13:
> (with COMMENT)
> 
>     > I find this text confusing at first read "adding nodes that do not support
>     > [RFC8138] after a roll back may be problematic if the roll back did not fully
>     > complete" I had to read section 5.3 to fully understand it.
>     >
>     > Should something like ", the network operator must ensure that the roll
> back
>     > operation is completed before adding nodes that do not support RFC 8138"
> be
>     > easier to understand ?
>     >
> 
>     Looks good, I'll make the change. Should we uppercase the must?
> 
> EV> thinking more about it, what about a "SHOULD" ?