Re: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Wed, 12 July 2017 20:16 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com>, "routing-discussion@ietf.org" <routing-discussion@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG
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+1

Any chance to swap slots for panrg with something else ?

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 01:01:10PM -0700, Jeff Tantsura wrote:
> Same problem...
> 
> Regards,
> Jeff
> 
> > On Jul 12, 2017, at 09:39, Alvaro Retana (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com>; wrote:
> > 
> > FYI..
> > 
> > I believe there is a significant relationship to routing.  
> > 
> > This Proposed RG is unfortunately scheduled against the ideas BOF, so I won't be able to attend.  For those not attending the ideas BOF, please make time for panrg.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Alvaro.
> > 
> > Thumb-typed and autocorrected..
> > 
> > Begin forwarded message:
> > 
> >> From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>;
> >> Date: July 12, 2017 at 2:21:47 AM EDT
> >> To: tsv-area@ietf.org
> >> Cc: panrg@irtf.org
> >> Subject: [Panrg] Proposed Path Aware Networking RG
> >> 
> >> Greetings, all,
> >> 
> >> We'll be having a first meeting of the proposed Path Aware Networking (PAN) RG at IETF 99 in Prague next week, 13:30 Wednesday in Congress Hall 3. Since bringing path awareness to the endpoint has been the focus, at least in part, of a couple of running TSV working groups (MPTCP, TAPS), this RG seems to be of general interest to the transport area.  Olivier Bonaventure will give a review and overview of research to date in this space, and Adrian Perrig will present a fully path-aware Internet architecture, as an illustration of what is possible when path-awareness is promoted to a first-order goal.
> >> 
> >> From our proposed charter (https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/panrg/about):
> >> 
> >> The Internet architecture assumes a division between the end-to-end
> >> functionality of the transport layer and the properties of the path between the
> >> endpoints. The path is assumed to be invisible, homogeneous, singular, with
> >> dynamics solely determined by the connectivity of the endpoints and the Internet
> >> control plane. Endpoints have very little information about the paths over which
> >> their traffic is carried, and no control at all beyond the destination address.
> >> 
> >> Increased diversity in access networks, and ubiquitous mobile connectivity, have
> >> made this architecture's assumptions about paths less tenable. Multipath
> >> protocols taking advantage of this mobile connectivity begin to show us a way
> >> forward, though: if endpoints cannot control the path, at least they can
> >> determine the properties of the path by choosing among paths available to them.
> >> 
> >> This research group aims to support research in bringing path awareness to
> >> transport and application layer protocols, and to bring research in this space
> >> to the attention of the Internet engineering and protocol design community.
> >> 
> >> The scope of work within the RG includes, but is not strictly limited to:
> >> 
> >> - communication and discovery of information about the properties of a path on
> >> local networks and in internetworks, exploration of trust and risk models
> >> associated with this information, and algorithms for path selection at
> >> endpoints based on this information.
> >> 
> >> - algorithms for making transport-layer scheduling decisions based on
> >> information about path properties.
> >> 
> >> - algorithms for reconciling path selection at endpoints with widely deployed
> >> routing protocols and network operations best practices.
> >> 
> >> The research group's scope overlaps with existing IETF and IRTF efforts, and
> >> will collaborate with groups chartered to work on multipath transport protocols
> >> (MPTCP, QUIC, TSVWG), congestion control in multiply-connected environments
> >> (ICCRG), and alternate routing architectures (e.g. LISP), and is related to
> >> the questions raised in the multiple recent BoF sessions that have addressed
> >> path awareness and multiply-connected networks (e.g. SPUD, PLUS, BANANA).
> >> 
> >> he PAN(P)RG intends to meet at each IETF meeting until a
> >> determination is made whether or not to charter it. Afterward, the RG intends to
> >> meet at 1-3 IETF meetings per year, and hold one workshop per year, colocated
> >> with a related academic conference.
> >> 
> >> 
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