Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Hands)....
Tony Tauber <ttauber@1-4-5.net> Tue, 30 January 2007 16:00 UTC
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[ Adding the list back on. ] On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, Curtis Villamizar wrote: > > Tony, Russ, > > Tony Tauber writes: > >> possible to deploy a such a protocol to all routers in a large AS at >> ^^^^^^^^ > > > Looks better with the additions. Note the minor typo above. Fixed. Thanks. > Another practical consideration is deployment rollout. Makes sense. > This might be a good replacement for your third bullet. > > - o In an environment where both secured and non-secured systems are > - interoperating a mechanism MUST exist for secured systems to > - identify whether an originator intended the information to be > - secured. > > > o In an environment where secured service is in the process of > being deplyed a mechanism MUST exist to support a transition > free of service interruption. I think the original bullet is about something else and still has merit, but I like your addition. > For some providers resetting the BGP sessions during a service > rollout would be at least highly undesireable and might be > completely unacceptable. With providers trying to acheive higher > service availability than their competitors, this becomes very > important. > > Curtis At first, I was inclined to put this kind of thing in as a SHOULD, but after thinking for a bit, am leaning toward MUST. Re-setting an eBGP session here or there is an event any deployment should be able to deal with fairly gracefully for an upgrade of such magnitude. Taking down major parts of one's iBGP infrastructure, however, is not acceptable, IMO. I'll add this text unless the list disapproves. Thanks, Tony _______________________________________________ RPSEC mailing list RPSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rpsec
- [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Hands).… Russ White
- RE: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Tony Li
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Marcus Leech
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Blaine Christian
- RE: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Tony Li
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Cat Okita
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Tom Petch
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Russ White
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… sandy
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… sandy
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Stephen Kent
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… sandy
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Stephen Kent
- RE: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Bora Akyol
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Henk Uijterwaal
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Tony Tauber
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Tony Tauber
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Curtis Villamizar
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Sandy Murphy
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Curtis Villamizar
- Re: [RPSEC] Discontiguous Deployment (Show of Han… Doug Montgomery