Re: [rrg] Rebuttal to Critique of “Enhanced Efficiency of Mapping Distribution Protocols in Map-and-Encap Schemes”
Robin Whittle <rw@firstpr.com.au> Mon, 22 February 2010 08:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rrg] Rebuttal to Critique of “Enhanced Efficiency of Mapping Distribution Protocols in Map-and-Encap Schemes”
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Short version: I think most of the end-user networks which will be using the new scalable "edge" space provided by CES architectures will only need one or a handful of IPv4 addresses. I think their usage of this space will be pretty scattered between ETRs all over the place. Hi Sriram, Thanks for your message concerning my critique. Here are some thoughts on address allocation for CES "edge" space. I don't think current patterns of use of BGP advertised prefixes will help much in predicting how space will be used in a CES system. The current usage of PI space depends on how RIRs allocate the space and how the current PI end-user networks actually use it. In solving the routing scaling problem, most of the users of multihomable, portable, space will be different and generally smaller organisations than those who currently have PI prefixes. They will be far more numerous and my guess is that the probably won't be obtaining space directly from RIRs. To get any accurate idea of future usage patterns for the new scalable "edge" space, firstly, one would have to determine how space was allocated to end-user networks with such a system - then one would need to imagine how a wide variety of end-user networks (EUNs) might use them. With Ivip, I anticipate that most EUNs will obtain space from a company which "owns" or runs a Mapped Address Block (MAB) - a large (short prefix) prefix of space which is advertised in the DFZ as a single prefix. Hundreds or thousands of EUNs would lease space from within a single MAB. They would presumably get contiguous chunks of space, but perhaps they want more and then lease a second chunk. I am sure that the great majority of EUNs will be happy with less than 256 IPv4 addresses. The number of /24s in the DFZ greatly outnumbers any other shorter prefix: http://bgp.potaroo.net/bgprpts/rva-index.html http://bgp.potaroo.net/as2.0/bgp-active.html /8 21 0.01% /9 10 0.00% /10 25 0.01% /11 65 0.02% /12 187 0.06% /13 391 0.12% /14 662 0.21% /15 1236 0.39% /16 10946 3.48% /17 5165 1.64% /18 8723 2.77% /19 18101 5.75% /20 21995 6.99% /21 22172 7.05% /22 28569 9.08% /23 28696 9.12% /24 164513 52.28% Just over half of advertised prefixes are /24, though the percentage has dropped a few points in the last decade. /24 is the smallest chunk of PI space which can be used, due to convention on filtering out longer prefixes. These /24s are presumably almost all PI prefixes of EUNs. Since the actual needs of EUNs will vary considerably, it is reasonable to assume from this distribution that the great majority of them need less than 256 IPv4 addresses at any one site. If even 20% of them needed more, we would see a bigger spill over into the numbers of /23s than we do. With Ivip, each micronet (separately mappable chunk of SPI "edge" space) will be an arbitrary number of IPv4 addresses, or IPv6 /64s. So usage of space won't be constrained by binary boundaries, and lengths of 2, 4, 8, 16 etc. Generally, I think the pattern will be that there will be a contiguous chunk of space for one EUN, followed by another contiguous chunk for another EUN. These EUNs could have their "head office" (usually their single site) anywhere in the world with respect to the EUN whose space is adjacent in any MAB. Many EUNs will have one site and so presumably one or two micronets (EID prefixes in LISP), some will have two sites and so just a handful of micronets, some will have three sites etc. and a few will have a hundred sites. So how they split their space up will vary considerably. Many sites probably only need a single IPv4 address, or four or so. If they had separate IPv4 addresses for mailserver, nameserver, webserver, VoIP box and VPN access, they would be fine with 8 addresses or less. Each one of these could be on a separate micronet, or they could all be on one. When multihomed some micronets (such as a single IPv4 address per micronet) may be on one ETR and the rest may be on the other. However, some networks will be able to run all these services on a single IPv4 address, or on two or three IPv4 addresses. My impression of what will transpire is that there would be too few patterns of usage in which your more complex mapping system might be helpful to make the extra complexity worthwhile - but I don't have any data about the future! - Robin
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