Re: [rrg] belated msg: further description of the recommendation process
Robin Whittle <rw@firstpr.com.au> Sun, 13 December 2009 23:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rrg] belated msg: further description of the recommendation process
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Short version: The RRG Design Goals document cold be used as the basis for a "template", but was based on very little discussion and AFAIK has not achieved consensus. I suggest that concise summaries mention how suitable the proposal is for voluntary adoption in IPv4 and IPv6 - perhaps with reference to this list of constraints: http://www.firstpr.com.au/ip/ivip/RRG-2009/constraints/ Hi Patrick, You suggested a template for the concise summaries, which the co-chairs requested - "preferably no longer than ~1000 words (it may contain pointer to more detailed document)" - perhaps based on: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-rrg-design-goals-01 If we had consensus on a set of goals, I think that would be good. However, as far as I know, we don't have consensus on this document. Tony wrote this version on 2007-07-08 and it was announced a few days later: http://psg.com/lists/rrg/2007/msg00179.html There were only a handful of messages about the design goals before this, and I recall not many since then. I expected there would be further revisions, and wrote some detailed material about improving the Design Goals on 2009-07-14: http://psg.com/lists/rrg/2007/msg00199.html but there has been no discussion of my suggestions or further revision of the Design Goals. rrg-design-goals-01 was finalised after less than 179 RRG messages. There have been 5429 messages to date. So by this measure, the Design Goals were finalised after only 3.3% of the RRG's total discussion. The co-chairs have not led a discussion on the constraints due to voluntary adoption. Nor have they expressed their personal views on my attempt to list the constraints. These constraints are surely an important basis for evaluating proposals, since no-one has suggested we can rely on anything but voluntary adoption. There has been some useful discussion of the constraints and a number of people have expressed agreement with my list, both in April when I first wrote it and in recent weeks. No-one likes these constraints, but I think that this support, and the lack of substantial critiques, makes this list a worthwhile reference point when comparing proposals. - Robin
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