Re: [rrg] Rebooting the RRG

Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> Fri, 15 November 2013 15:54 UTC

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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:51:57 -0500
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Russ White <russw@riw.us>; wrote:

>
> Some things of interest might be the intersection of naming and routing,
> or the problems around centralizing control planes (though this might be
> more aligned with sdnrg). Maybe something around network programmability?


I'm composing a short list but I just want to nip one thing in the bud: We
can cede id/loc separation to SDNRG. Let them thrash with it for a while.
 We have spent a lot of time on it in RRG and other fora over the years,
and the conclusion is pretty clear: id/loc separation is not a _routing_
problem. Rather, it's a problem that identity-related functions take
location-related information and use it inappropriately. For example it's
not routing's fault, or problem, if some identification function uses an
IPv4 address as an identifier.

So this time, let's stick to routing problems. Russ suggests the
intersection of naming and routing. That could be a great topic if what is
meant is mechanisms for mapping from names to routing information and/or
forwarding information (network interface, path, nexthop etc.). I would
enjoy exploring routing in ICN (information-centric networking). Lixia can
explain how NDN has solved the whole problem :-).

More soon.

Thanks ... Scott