Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05.txt
"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Thu, 25 February 2010 23:30 UTC
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Yes, thank you. That would address my concern. I was reading "extrapolate ... would look like" in a broader sense than you intended. Yours, Joel Thomas Narten wrote: >> What you propose to add is good. But, the text in 4.6 as written claims >> "It is possible to extrapolate what the size of the IPv6 routing table >> would be if wide spread adoption of IPv6 occurred..." > > Ah. Is your issue more narrow in the sense that this statement is > misleading? > > The extrapolation is intended for "today" not for "next year" or "ten > years from now". > > You must be assuming that the exising pressures that contribute to > problems will get worse (I tend to agree!). But, that doesn't really > have anything to do with IPv6. I.e., IPv6 doesn't make those pressures > stronger or lesser. They will also get worse with IPv4. > >> the extrapolation that then takes place assumes that the same factors >> that currently constrain IPv4 sizes would constrain IPvb6 sizes, and >> that seems extremely unlikely. Hence, this extrapolation is very >> optimistic, and misleading to the reader. > > How about if I change the statement as follows: > > OLD: > > It is possible to extrapolate what the size of the IPv6 Internet > routing table would be if widespread IPv6 adoption occurred, from the > current IPv4 Internet routing table. > > NEW: > > It is possible to extrapolate what the size of the IPv6 Internet > routing table might look like today, from the current IPv4 Internet > routing table, if widespread IPv6 adoption were to occur > "instantaneously", > > Then, at the end of the paragraph add something like: > > Of course, this estimate is based on a current snapshot of IPv4 > routing activity. Unless the pressures described elsewhere in this > document are reduced, the actual table size would be larger. > > Would that address your concern? > > Thomas >
- [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05.txt Thomas Narten
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Danny McPherson
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Robin Whittle
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Thomas Narten
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Thomas Narten
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… HeinerHummel
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Thomas Narten
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Robin Whittle
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Geoff Huston
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… HeinerHummel
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… HeinerHummel
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… Flinck, Hannu (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [rrg] draft-narten-radir-problem-statement-05… HeinerHummel
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