Re: [rrg] ILNP: existing applications & other critiques

Shane Amante <shane@castlepoint.net> Tue, 13 November 2012 04:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rrg] ILNP: existing applications & other critiques
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Robin,

On Nov 12, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Robin Whittle <rw@firstpr.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Shane,
> 
> Thanks for these links.  The Verizon Wireless slide 14 had no
> information on how the IPv6 traffic volume compared with that of IPv4.
> Maybe such information was implied in slide 13 but I couldn't clearly
> understand it.

No operators share traffic volume statistics publicly, for competitive reasons.  I work as an operator, I should know.  :-)


> Comcast stated that "approximately 6% of the 2012 Olympics served over
> YouTube to Comcast customers was over IPv6."  This is a substantial
> share of real ordinary user traffic.  I wonder what the impetus for this
> was - why didn't the hosts use IPv4?

Ask Comcast?  But, if I were to guess, I would suspect that implementation of "Happy Eyeballs" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Eyeballs> in client Operating Systems (Mac OS X) and browsers (i.e.: Chrome, Firefox, etc.) *slightly* favors IPv6 transport compared to IPv4 transport during DNS resolution and connection set-up.  Viola: more v6 traffic than v4.

-shane