Re: [rrg] procedural aggregation

"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Wed, 05 March 2014 16:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rrg] procedural aggregation
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My understanding is that the packet forwarding paths, and the money 
exchanges, are more complex than the picture you painted.  Your picture 
matches the general theory.  However, I have repeatedly been told that 
the reality does not match that theory.

Yours,
Joel

On 3/5/14, 11:09 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:04 AM, <heinerhummel@aol.com> wrote:
>> IMHO: IPv6 won't get any boost by the IPv4 address expiration.
>> But shouldn't that be the most urgent RRG problem ?
>
> Hi Heiner,
>
> The "procedural aggregation" approaches I'll discuss are agnostic
> about the IP version number. They work as well (and as poorly) for
> both IPv4 and IPv6.
>
> Before I dive in to that, does everybody follow the economics of
> Internet routing as presented in my prior message? Can I answer any
> questions about how it works?
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>