Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec discussion in Thursday agenda slot

David Singer <singer@apple.com> Tue, 12 March 2013 19:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Video Codec discussion in Thursday agenda slot
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:26 , Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gaelle Martin-Cocher
> <gmartincocher@blackberry.com> wrote:
>> 
>> [gmc] so why was those technical aspects not discussed at the prior
>> meeting?
> 
> Frankly, it probably could have.  We can't go back and fix that now,
> unfortunately.
> 
>> Can there just be a technical discussion with no questions?
>> 
> 
> The focus will be technical discussion.  Questions on the technical
> aspects are, of course, in scope there.


OK, to be clear, 

* I am totally in favor of people understanding the technologies on offer.
* The decision rests on (at least) late-breaking news, and unavailable information, and I am opposed to any move to get a formal decision for a mandatory video codec at the meeting.


David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.