Re: [rtcweb] Requiring ICE for RTC calls

Tim Panton <tim@phonefromhere.com> Tue, 27 September 2011 20:54 UTC

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From: Tim Panton <tim@phonefromhere.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:56:57 -0700
To: Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Requiring ICE for RTC calls
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On 27 Sep 2011, at 13:27, Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:

> 2011/9/27 Olle E. Johansson <oej@edvina.net>:
>> Sometimes we need to move forward. After many years of insecure calls having
>> issues with traversing NATs everywhere, I think enough is enough and it's
>> time to provide a better solution.
> 
> I also agree. The IETF has produced lot of security specifications for
> SIP but vendors have implemented nothing (or just a few of them).
> 
> SIP is mostly deployed in islands, and each island defines its own
> security constrains (usually no security at all as the island itself
> is a secure wallen garden). Rtcweb is like a new island (a very big
> island), and it will also become the island with major number of
> malicious users and site providers. So let's add all the security
> constrains we can in order to make it secure.
> 
> Legacy SIP vendors/providers/manufactures should react if they want to
> offer services on top of rtcweb.
> 
> -- 
> Iñaki Baz Castillo

But it is worth remembering that many of those SIP deployments have the phones on a separate (V)LAN from which the browsers would be firewalled. So it wouldn't be a simple drop in case even if the browser did have a 100% SIP deskphone emulation. 

Tim.